Talk:Order of the Bath

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Do male GCBs, KCBs and CBs wear a neck badge? Or do they wear the badges on their left chest?

Why was the image of the Bath medal removed? I saw in the remarks that it ws labeled as "low quality". I will look for a better image, but that it is NOT a valid reason to delete an image that someone else posted unless you are prepared to replace the image with a better one. User:Husnock 2 Aug 04

Sorry, I was unaware that a lack of quality was an invalid reason. -- Emsworth

I was too harsh...your work on this article is extremely impressive. Hope the new picture is better User:Husnock 3 Aug 04

I moved the image to make the article appear a little bit better. Most Wilk articles have an "eye catcher" picture at the start of the article. The way this one was set up, the pictures were 2/3rds of the way down in the body of the article. I think it looks better this way. If not this picture, then something at the top there to give an image right when you start reading teh article Husnock 21 Sep 04

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[edit] Honorary Knights may be stripped of their knighthoods

This statement should be revised or qualified in some wise as it gives rise to the questions both under what circumstances, and can regular knights be so stripped, and, if so, under what circumstances? --Daniel C. Boyer 16:27, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There are no 'rules'. It is at the Queen's pleasure. As a guide, conviction for a serious offence will result in the title being stripped. Alci12 18:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ranking

Does the Order of the Bath really rank after OM and CH among the British orders of chivalry? And are OM and CH even 'orders of chivalry'? Their members do not receive knighthoods. Mapple 19:33, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

This is the correct ranking for orders of chivalry, of which the orders of knighthood are just one section. alexmb

The Cabinet office ( http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/ceremonial/honours/chivalry.asp )and the Select Committee on Public Administration of the House of Commons ( http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmpubadm/212/21204.htm#a3 ) both provide the tables of the British orders. In both tables OM is placed after the Order of the Bath, and CH after the Order of the British Empire. I wonder what is the source for your information. Mapple 17:36, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I am changing the rankings. Mapple 09:01, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

The original rankings I think (?) came from the royal family's site. Look at http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page490.asp . I am not going to touch the order you have changed it to until we can find a definitive list - there must be one....??!!

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I'm moving this from Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Order of the Bath: Melchoir 05:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Question: It is stated in the article that the three crowns in the Bath insignia refer to the Kingdoms of England,Scotland and Ireland. Surely this would be the Kingdoms of England Scotland and the German electorate of Hanover from where King George came. The order was inaugurated in 1725 yet Ireland was not elevated to a Kingdom within the United Kingdom until 1801. If you look at the three crowns you will notice they are Hanovrian crowns rather than British crowns. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.200.116.72 (talk • contribs) 07:17, 29 April 2005.

The three crowns emblem was adopted for knights of the Bath under King James I. At that time, England, Scotland, and Ireland were three separate kingdoms under one monarch. Hanover was not a part of James's dominions. -- Emsworth

[edit] Categories

There seem to be Category:Knights of the Order of the Bath and Category:Knights Commander of the Order of the Bath. Surely they should be merged? - Kittybrewster 13:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

There are three types of Knights of the (order of the) Bath,
  • Knights of the Bath - these were 'special knighthoods conferred on important Royal occasions such as coronation, a practice which had died out by the time of Charles II', according to the history section of the article. This is presumably what Category:Knights of the Bath, now empty, is for. This category correctly doesn't have the words of the Order.
  • Knights Companion of the Order of the Bath - Knights created after the 'revival'/creation of the Order in 1725 when it was only a one class order. Those still living became Knights Grand Cross when it became a three class order. Category:Knights of the Order of the Bath (from a very quick look) seems to contain both these Knights, and the previous sort.
  • Knights Commander of the Order of the Bath - Knights created after the Order was divided into three classes (this happened in 1815 for the military division and 1847 for the civil division). The category for these is Category:Knights Commander of the Order of the Bath, logically enough.
I would suggest Category:Knights of the Bath be populated with the pre-1725 knights, Category:Knights of the Order of the Bath be renamed to Category:Knights Companion of the Order of the Bath and the pre-1725 Knights removed, and a note distinguishing the three sorts of knight placed on all three category pages.
I note that at WP:CfD on August 2, it was suggested that Category:Knights of the Bath be merged with Category:Knights of the Order of the Bath. No-one commented apart from the nominator, and this has gone ahead as of August 10. I guess I will post my above suggestion there later today, if no-one else beats me to it.
--Dr pda 15:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)