Talk:Order of Lenin

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I have watched the movie, The Hunt for Red October many times; and each time I do I learn something new about this movie. But I still don't understand it completely. In one part of the movie when the Sub travels to somewhere north of the Laurenthyian Abysall after contact with Dr. Ryan via periscope from the USS. Dallas there is a level 1 radiation leak which spreads throughout the entire sub. A major concern which the Dr of the sub says requires an immediate evacuation. After everyone is out of the sub a US war ship is located which shoots some shots at the Sub. Marco Ramius tells the Doc that he will scuttle the ship with only the officers and a few crew aboard while the reamaining crew sail to the US war ship. The doctor appears to be really shocked and upset when he tells Ramius that "you'll receive the order of Lenin for this...." I don't understand how this would be said in such indignation when the Order of Lenin is obviously a very prestigious award. I would really appreciate an explanation concerning this. This being one question (of many) I have about this very exciting yet complicated movie.

Jose P.

It wasn't in indignation, rather he was saying it out of reverence and admiration of this seemingly heroic deed to keep the Soviet's latest weapon out of American/NATO hands (Of course it wasn't, but that's not the point). It could of also been a promise on the doctor's part that he will recommend and lobby the government to award Ramius the honor posthumously. Naturally, nothing would come out of that since Ramius told the Kremlin his intentions, but the doctor didn't know that either. --Paul Soth 06:22, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] George Formby

Some sources:
[1] [2]

Granted these aren't conclusive but any biography of Formby will tell you the same. Why is it so difficult for people to accept this? I fail to see why he's any less deserving than Yashin. Matthew Platts 14:36, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • That is all we need, go ahead and add him. It is not the fact that George is not worthy or a famous person, it is just that I had no idea he even got the Order until now. Thank you Matt, and if you want to put George on the page again, thats fine. However, I kindly ask you put the sources by his name. Zscout370 15:16, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I think I appeared a bit brusque there! Matthew Platts 16:33, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Matt, please do not apologize, I added Formby back to the list, so everything is back in order (ducks from the incoming bottles). Zscout370 18:33, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've been looking into this and as far as I can see there are no real sources other than user generated webpages (the BBC h2g2/dna site was around long before wikipedia but works on the same basis and thus cannot be used as a source and the other source quoted is also user generated. It doesn't appear to be mentioned on the George Formby society website. I have now tracked down this reference which suggests the more likely Stalin Prize, given that this references the biography it is taken from I suggest it is more reliable that the other links Webspit 15:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First native, first foreign recipients

According to [3], the first native recipient was a Soviet newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda on May 23, 1930 and first foreign recipients were two American air mechanics (for participation in Cheluskin ship search and rescue operation) on September 10, 1934. However, their names are in Russian there (Левари Уильямс and Клайд Армистет) and I have no idea how to translate them. Cmapm 17:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I will see what I can do, but thanks for pointing that out. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 18:43, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
It translates as Levary(?) Williams and Clyde Armistat(?) Armisted(?) Pibwl ←« 19:27, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality

I've called Isreal Gelfand a Soviet mathematician becaus ethat was his nationality when he recieved the prize but he was born a subject of the Russian empire and is still alive (and I guess a Ukrainian citizen) so I don't know if it's right.A Geek Tragedy 19:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ronald Reagan

The list of recipients has Ronald Reagan's name on it; that seems like a mistake...doesn't it?

216.85.201.125 20:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)