Talk:Orb (photographic)
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[edit] Removed external link
I corrected some spelling errors, but I also had to to remove the external link "*Butterfly Turin Berlin A/R" since it led to a 404 - please re-add it after it has been brought back up Dr.Falko - 18:14, 4 Mar 2007 (UTC)
- ed - actually, I just realized that this leaves this article with only skeptical links - not very neutral. Addition of other links supporting the paranormal hypothesis would probably be needed...
[edit] Cleanup
Just did a massive cleanup of this talk page, it was a mess. Nothing was altered except the formatting, signatures were added and those tacky page-breaks removed and replaced with tiered ::'ing. 'nuff said. Jachin 04:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] To Do
I will get round to explaining some of the terms I've used in the pictures descriptions, coma, chromatic aberration etc. Or linking them to Wikipedia references (or doing both!). --Llamnuds 19:06, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Ball Lightning
Am I the only person to have encountered an orb, first with the naked eye? I would have been one of the first people to believe that photographic orbs are mainly caused by dust or water. However, I first encountered an orb (size of a baseball, blue in color) during a summer night electrical storm at home, with my naked eye. I was so astonished, curious as to what I saw, that's what sparked my curiosity, not the transparent entity usually seen in a photograph. Furthermore, orbs are not the only phenonema seen in photographs. I've seen one photograph, indoors, with what appeared to be snowflaked-shaped orbs, and one photograph of a fully 3D orb, floating in the air with a reflection of a nearby surface. I don't dispute your opinion or findings, but there's definitely a mystery to them, and something I wish I had the answers to. --Larry G 12:39, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- It sounds like you saw ball lightning, a rare and unusual event in itself.
- Something that most people don't see in a lifetime.
- But I don't believe ball lightning is related to the orbs that most people associate with the paranormal.
- The snowflake and 3d orbs sound fascinating.
- Llamnuds 18:24, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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- huh, i found this page by accident and i suprised that 'orbs' are only in photography. I sometimes see orbs with my naked eye. What this mean?
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- Do not confuse 'orbs' with those motes one sees in the liquid upon the lense of their eye, all of us get that. Looking up at a pure azure blue sky is the best way to bring the retina into more focus on those than the surroundings if you want to examine that inherent side effect of sight further. Jachin 04:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Me too, it was a while ago but the experience has stayed with me. Late one night I was watching TV in the dark and a ball of golden/silver light about 10cm across appeared just above the TV I did the normal thing? - froze and then did a double take; blinked to make sure I wasn't seeing things, checked I was still awake and just looked at it taking it in. It wasn't transparent or definately solid (more like liquid mercury - but with movement and light)and was glowing gently. I decided to share the experience with my boyfriend sleeping next to me, so I looked away for a second to reach out to him and it went. I've spent most of the evening trying to find someone else who actually saw one that wasn't in a photo!
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- Has anyone else had a similar experience? I heard from someone there is a theory they are caused by static? I'd be interested if there are any good links or chats to join....
- A large one off ball that floats like this could have been Ball lightning. However, multiple orbs seen with ones naked eyes could be a number of things, either something physiological, i.e. something in your eyes or brain that causes you to see these orbs. Or perhaps something psychological, i.e. it's generated by your mind, probably unconsciously. Whether this needs treatment in any way shape of form I’m not qualified to say, but I’d see an optician if it were me. There are numerous paranormal investigation groups that are spiritualists and I’m sure they’d supply you with alternative reasons why you see these orbs. Try Googling for Kent Paranormal Group.
--Llamnuds 00:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
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- I have actually seen an orb in my living room. I was about thirteen, and remember vividly listening to War Pig by Black Sabbath. When all of a sudden I saw a bright ball of light thravel into the living room, and just as I noticed it the ball it dissapeard behind a rocking chair that was ajacent to me in our living room. If anyone has any idea about wht I saw please contact me at somavibes@yahoo.com
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- I saw one with a naked eye, too. And fancy thing was it was in front of a TV as well (it wasn't on). I don't believe any of these pictures, but I wasn't the only one who saw the orb. It was blue, and the size of a softball. And it was there for about 2 seconds before it kind of exploded into a flash of light, like a camera flash. Could it be ball lightning? I'm a little too skeptical to believe in ghost stuff.
- 209.166.75.105 09:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
No offence intended, but this is a discussion page for the article. Please try and keep it to valid discussions rather than sharing personal experiences with focal clarity impartiality or visual witnessing of 'orbs'. Further, please sign your comments with ~~~~ and use : to indent your post to fit the threat portion you're responding to. I've cleaned this up as best as possible. Jachin 04:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Colours
it's oddly untraditional that in this article the colours mentioned are red for female and blue for male. In all classical literature and culture, it's always the other way around: blue for girls/heaven, red for boys/earth. For example, Mars, god of war, has red associated with him.NCartmell 20:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I was wrapped in a blue blanket. My sister in a pink one. :) Jachin 04:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, long time since I posted the above but felt the need to clarify my logic. Light artifacts on CCD and CMOS lenses have been debunked since the first 'orb' showed up in the NASA project during development of CCD and CMOS standards for implementation in astronomical photography, as far as the public record goes. They've subsequently been debunked everywhere, yet people desperate to believe in life after death tend to clutch onto anything 'odd' in photos, hence simulcra or faces in trees, or cloud watching even. The difference is, when we see a cloud in the shape of a sheep, we're merely inferring something we percieve it to be on a natural object. If you take a photograph of that, it pertains some mass media impressed inference to the human psyche that it allegedly then has more credibility.
- Most believers in orbs, and the supernatural as a whole, do not generally have classical or extensive educations. Critical logic and reasoning obtained in a general university education alone would train one to impress logic upon the situation and thus debunk 100% of all 'supernatural evidence' presented on the grounds that either everything in the last many thousands of years of science is wrong and we're not just worm fodder. No one wants to be worm fodder, of course, thus the neccessity of people to cling to belief in superstitions.
- In this instance, the pink for girls blue for boys would be more on par with a contemporary or lower level education of the majority of people, and thus sourced from that majority, our orb observers infer their childhood or contemporary upbringing references of colours per genders upon the items rather than looking to a classical approach. If it were the supernatural and hasn't just 'come into being' the classical system would be more impressive as it is consistant across cultures and aeons. I think that explains my comment a little more, at least I hope it does. Jachin 03:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Balls of Energy?
- I would like to point out that this article says nothing about the theory that orbs are simply balls of energy located everywhere.
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and such) They aren't dust (the real ones anyway), and they aren't paranormal, but they may be USED by a spirit or entity to help manifest. This rationale seems a little more valid than the theory that an orb is an entity itself, since they can be captured anywhere, and under non-paranormal circumstances...What do you think?
- The Great Know-it-all 13:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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- No. They are all dust or some other small piece of inanimate matter, all of them, always. No exceptions. If you see an "orb" in a picture it is because of a speck of something illuminated by a light source. You didn't see one respond to your voice, you didn't see one try to communicate with you. You have been standing outside talking to NOTHING and then you photograph the same NOTHING and post on the internet about it. -66.226.105.98 07:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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- User 66.226.105.98 is unfortunately correct on this one guys, it's been debunked, demystified and it's totally flogging the dead horse now. Generally people who post photos of 'orbs' are those who wish they had some proof of the paranormal and will grasp at straws. There's many oddities out there as far as orb photos, some even have squiggly faces in them or what not, but none are even vaguely believable as 'paranormal entities'.
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- Even if that WERE the case, and it were the remnants of energy of a human being, surely the combined energies of the 'soul', 'spirit', or the eletricity and / or pure energy stored within a human corpse depending on your take on things would amount to more than a sub 1mm fleck on a digital camera? But, if you want to think we turn into little glowing dots when we die, more power too you. Jachin 04:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Spiritual orbs? Yes. They happen. It's inexplicable, especially when they carry the spirits or faces of loved ones passed, but it does indeed happen. There is no text book or great professor who can explain these happenings. The why's and how's of orbs? I believe there are different types/forms of orbs. I can also understand how orbs in photographs can be nothing but dust, but what about an orb seen with the naked eye, in the middle of a room that does show the face of a loved one that seems to try to communicate with you? Anything is possible...there is so much out there that we just are not able to understand because we are only human and our brain only lets us go so far. We are but specks in a great universe where so many other things happen that we could never imagine with our simple human minds. Never say never...
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- I have removed this line, "True orbs are masses of pure energy and when a true orb is caught in a image, it also produces its own light aswell.", for one thing, it doesnt cite a reference, another thing, if it generated its own light it would be visible to the naked eye, and thirdly, this strikes me as a bit of stealth graffitti from the people who still believe that orbs are supernatural phenomena and not dust Lovefist233 (talk) 14:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Please have a look at my addition May 29, 2008: "orbs, pictures with tele". In the picture with the airplane there are "balls" and just intense white "cores". They do not have one kind of appearance. It is not a matter of believing, it is a matter of knowing. 125.237.174.65 (talk) 22:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] EEEK!
My friend, had just moved into her house when she told me this experence she had with supernatural beings. She had told me I could come and spend the night at her house and that she had something freaky to show me. So when I got there, I saw there was a grave yard across the street from her house. I asked her about it and she said we could walk through it while I was there. So I went in her room and I saw that there was a grave stone that was most visable from where we were in her house. I said to her "Isn't it funny how one gravestone shows up out of all of them in the grave yard there?". She said to follow her to the one gravestone in the cemitary that I saw. What happened was i saw the name....Emily Roberts!!!!!!!!!!!!! My friends first name was Emily, and her dads first name is Robert. So when we went back to her house, she told me that an orb had came out of her light socket and it was floating around her room!!!! So I think living next to a grave yard did the trick!
- And so what? It is an interesting story but it is not encyclopedic at all. Kromsson 21:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Put the internets away and go play in a park. Jachin 03:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Some people are tooo serious. I enjoyed it. 68.198.123.106 (talk) 02:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Agreed, however it is pure fiction/childish imagination and as such does not belong here Lovefist233 (talk) 14:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] My Orb Experiences
I came across the existence of orbs by accident when I installed day/night video equipment in my apartment for security reasons.I first noticed them when I had the camera installed outside my patio to monitor my car.When I reviewed the tape,there appeared to be snowflake-like objects passing by the camera in a sudden burst then dissipated quickly.Well this was in the middle of summer and it wasn't raining.Other than going out to my car to see if anything looked unusual,I put it in the back of my mind.
I moved the camera indoors a few days later and started to notice similar objects, although in much smaller quantities. At first I thought they were objects somehow superimposed in my video by means I wasn't quite sure how. Then I noticed they moved in a fashion that was definitely not dust nor rain nor artifacts of the camera. Some of the orbs moved quickly some slow. Some of them would appear and disappear all within the camera's field of view.Some would appear just on the inside of my front door and slowing move toward the camera before disappearing.
They are opaque looking objects of different sizes. I have recorded on video these objects and showed them to friends.The first thing they would say is,"THIS IS NOT DUST"! I don't use flash,just a day/night camera purchased from Walmart and a vcr.The camera uses infrared light which would explain why the average person cannot see them with the naked eye. Go to YouTube and search for orbs and view the videos before coming to a conclusion. Lkornegay 20:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- Going by what you describe, I'd say you're getting worked up over minor lens flare. But this isn't the place to post claims of experiences, this is the article discussion page. Antisora 09:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Please note, I have corrected the use of the word 'flash' to also include lighting and ambient lighting. You DO NOT need a flash to generate light artifacts with a CCD or CMOS lens. Your CCTV cameras are most likely of CMOS lens design, as they're day and night they work on the infra-red scale. You claim you use no lighting, look at the sides of the camera itself. See those clear little plastic baubles? Those are infra-red LED illuminators. Those are what are running 24/7 and causing high IR lighting in front of the camera, thus making them ESPECIALLY succeptable to light artifacts nearer the lens due to difraction and dissipation of IR.
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- You know what would put an end to all this? Putting a CCD / CMOS lensed camera in a laboratory grade plastic casing with filtered air content with NO dust particles within 1 - 2 feet of the lens. I guarantee you even if you dragged that baby down to the pits of hades you'd never catch another orb again. LIGHT ARTIFACTS, not spirit people talking to you. Less interwebs, more books. Jachin 03:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] You CAN see orbs with your naked eye
You CAN see orbs with your naked eye. Not ball lightning or other phenomena, but just the same thing the camera shows and due to the same effect. I remembered that from my childhood but it took me a while to reconstruct how I did it. You have to hold a brilliant metal thing with highlights in only a few centimetres of your eye and focus the eye on something farther. It is better to have a dark background. You get orbs that look just like the ones on photos, white, half-transparent and a little "grainy", if you have multiple orbs their structure is identical - and a bit different after each blinking! You can even get the "truncation effect" by nearly-closing your eye. In that case you sometimes get strange effects which I think come from the eyelashes. guest: Ruth 91.122.32.58 (talk) 15:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Are you serious? When you don't focus at a certain area, your brain is more likely to just produce some sensory input if you believe it hard enough. Try it yourself. I'd guess that is sort of related. --MathiasRav (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes I am serious. The eye is not so much different from the camera. It just doesn't work with dust because dust is moving and we don't have a flashlight in our eyes. You didn't try it out did you? And the "Blind spot" experiment is also not because you "believe it hard" but because there IS a blind spot in the eye. Did you read the article you set the link on? I have also remembered an easier way of getting orbs, but only when the sun is shining. Turn your half-closed eyes to such an angle that the sun shines on your lashes but not in the eyes. You get a lot of orbs on your lashes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.13.175 (talk) 12:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I have taken pictures that, at first, there were no orbs on them, but after a few months the whole picture is full of them. Does any one has an answer for that situation? Thanks for your help, I'm very interested in the subject.
Leslie Felce —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.79.197.5 (talk) 03:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- Did you perhaps leave the photographs in a dusty room? 86.131.61.242 (talk) 16:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "orb" photo at Notre Dame
Is anyone else looking at that photo and seeing dust on the camera sensor instead of an "orb"? Because it looks just like all the other photos with dust on the sensor that I've seen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.33.58 (talk) 05:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- I can't see any orb, or it must be the pigeon halfway the left tower. Marco Roepers (talk) 17:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
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- I don't see jack. People are seeing things that aren't there. 24.210.66.234 (talk) 21:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] orbs, pictures with tele
Shortly after we moved to New Zealand I made pictures of big airplanes that were flying over our house with my NIKON D80 with 80-200 tele 1:2.8. Once I found there were differences in the consecutive pictures (3 per second) I enlarged them further and saw they actually were "balls". From that moment on I've spent a few month studying the phenomenon and have hundreds of pictures of them. They are not dust or whatever. I've done any kind of test to make sure these spheres are not flaws in the photographic proces. As a very experienced photographer (> 20 yrs) I am 100% sure there are "orbs" at the size of a soccerball hovering over Earth. They do not appear everywhere and not all the time. From the consecutive pictures I found they were MOSTLY (not always) flying in a NW direction. It is not a matter of believing, it is a matter of knowing.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8318/dsc3410kopiezv9.jpg http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2100/dsc2117ckopie10spotskoplz6.jpg
125.237.174.65 (talk) 22:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi 842U,
my text was not a question, but the question was an intro to explaining part of the phenomenon. It is essential in understanding the basics. Maybe I should have left out the question to make it clearer?
Cheers John VZ
222.155.224.232 (talk) 21:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
