Talk:Orange (colour)/Archive 2

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Several proposals have been made concerning this page. Before making a new one, please review these discussions.

  • Move: "Orange (color)" → "Orange (colour)", March 2004: Accepted.
  • Move: "Orange (colour)" → "Orange (color)", June 2005: Opposed.
  • Move: "Orange (colour)" → "Orange (color)", October 2005: Opposed.
  • Move: "Orange (colour)" → "Orange (color)", April 2006: Opposed.
  • Move: "Orange (colour)" → "Orange", April 2006: Opposed.


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Idduno about the rest of the world...

See Talk:Orange (colour)/Archive 1#Idduno about the rest of the world... for the start of this section

Is that how it's really done? If so that is really lame. It makes it so arbitrary - this really shouldn't be the norm. I think the MOS should define what style to use and not leave it to a major contribution to decide. - Hbdragon88 06:10, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Great, then lets choose British spelling! No? Well, please suggest a compromise. violet/riga (t) 11:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
We should submit this to Jimbo Wales. After all, he silenced us all by deleting Brian Peppers, he can finally case his ultimate vote to settle this. HE HAS THE POWAR! And when he does I suggest it should be protected from page moves, like Talk:Gasoline. - Hbdragon88
"Idduno about the rest of the world, but we americans do things democratically." The people have spoken. The contributors have decided on this talk page to stick with the British spelling. By they way, Wikipedia is not actually a democracy, but it seems you probably don't mind forcing democracy on people. --Optichan 18:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
And in addition, "democracy" does not translate to "the majority forces the minority to obey". —Nightstallion (?) 10:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was don't move, in both cases. Stop it. Please. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 18:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move to "Orange (color)": April 2006

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Oppose, this move is against policy; also, the victorious wording of the nomination strongly suggests that policy hasn't been followed in other areas. James F. (talk) 23:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support move to Orange (hue), otherwise Oppose Sceptre (Talk) 00:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, and propose a wider investigation of what the fuck is going on here. Colour is not a concept exclusive to the United States, and I see no reason we should start gratuitous moves for the sheer hell of it. Rob Church (talk) 00:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose per the policy and style guidelines stating that spellings should not be changed to conform to either British or American english and that spellings should be left the way they are as long as they correct in one or the other. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 00:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose British English is allowed as well. Gryffindor 09:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose Much as I would favour a single and consistent spelling of colo(u)r in the articles about colo(u), as it makes the encyclopedia look sloppy, and while I do agree that "color" has been used in most places so that would be a logical standard, even though that's not what I write at home, changing it in this article would be a clear breach of wikipedia guidelines. If the guidelines are wrong, then they should be challenged, otherwise any decision made here is pretty irrelevant: people will continue to revisit and correctly re-apply the guidelines. Notinasnaid 16:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Further oppose because I see this has been proposed and rejected twice already. There should be some policy against this sort of mischief: there are much better things to waste our time on than regular attempts from people who won't accept a previous result. Notinasnaid 08:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose this move as per Notinasnaid. I would support a move to Orange (hue), which would be in keeping with current AE/BE guidelines. JamesMLane t c 10:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose and oppose the unilateral change to the american spelling. Shouldn't have been changed, per policy. --Kiand 19:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose as already stated, the policy guidelines on spelling suggest that they do not need to be altered in order to satisfy British/American/Australian/etc spelling as long as they are correct within the country or area they are spelt in. I also oppose changing it to Orange(Hue/Tint/etc) as there is absolutely no need as the current term is sufficient.--Cini 11:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose Why not just a link to the same page but change the spellings? elevenzeroonnechat / what i've done / email 19:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

In case anyone was wondering, I did a quick AE -> BE conversion (but couldn't stop myself from "fixing" a few wordings and so on - the incessant copy-editor in me, I suppose) and then reverted myself, and put the fixes back in; this is the result of converting BE to AE - that is, the effect of the edits since the anon, above, changed the article over. So minor a thing to quibble over, really.

James F. (talk) 01:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move to "Orange": April 2006

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Oppose. I don't think that primary topic disambiguation is suitable here - the use of "orange" to mean the fruit is not vanishingly rarely, which is where we normally use PTD. James F. (talk) 01:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. This is one of the color terms known by just about everyone 3+ years of age. Notes are that:
  1. The dis-ambiguation page can be named Orange (disambiguation)
  2. The article can have a link on top that says "This article is about the color orange; see also Orange (fruit) and Orange (disambiguation). Georgia guy 01:52, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per above. There can be a link to the fruit at the top of the page. Stop war! 02:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, not clearly the most common meaning. The fruit is a common meaning and Orange, Vaucluse a notable Roman city in France. Kusma (討論) 03:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose not the most common or used meaning, the fruit is a more commonly used meaning. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 05:34, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The fruit is easily as commonly referred to as the color, and there should be a significant difference to justify placing one article at the primary location. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. As above: orange can as often refer to a fruit as to a color. Matveims 07:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. No clear reason why the colour should be the master article over the fruit. Is this a ploy to get (colour) out of the title to justify changing to "color" in the article? No, we must assume good faith. Notinasnaid 16:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose --Philip Baird Shearer 17:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. This is one of the general colors, unlike peach, and so can be at simply orange. Many people looking for the fruit would type in oranges (which would definitely redirect to the fruit article) rather than orange anyway. Car salesman 03:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. JamesMLane t c 10:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose: do we really have to rehash this every year? Jonathunder 15:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Whatever it takes to end this WP:LAME war. - Hbdragon88 05:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per Car salesman: "Many people looking for the fruit would type in oranges (which would definitely redirect to the fruit article) rather than orange anyway." Johntex\talk 05:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose There needs to be some distinction as to which Orange we are referring to.--Cini 11:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

This is one of the general colors, unlike peach, and so can be at simply orange. Many people looking for the fruit would type in oranges (which would definitely redirect to the fruit article) rather than orange anyway. Car salesman 03:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Please see the Policy section Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Prefer singular nouns: Convention: In general only create page titles that are in the singular, unless that noun is always in a plural form in English (such as scissors or trousers).
Links in articles are as likely to be to an orange as orange. --Philip Baird Shearer 07:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Another name idea

Why not just move this page to Orange (hue)? It's accurate, and hue is the same in both American and English usage. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 11:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Shall we move then also move color to hue? Or shall we just accept both pages at their current spelling and live with it. Jooler 11:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, no, because that's about color instead of hue, whereas orange is actually a hue ("orange" doesn't really imply any specific amount of shade, just a particular hue).
That said, it was just a compromise suggestion, that's all. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 11:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Burnt Orange

It seems to me that the Burnt Orange article is kind of out of place. Perhaps it should have its own article, like all other shades of colo(u)rs, and also be placed in the 'Shades of Orange' section at the bottom of the page. This is the only shade of a colo(u)r that I can find that is placed within its "mother colo(u)r's" page. --Redtitan 06:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's rather silly to include all these slight variations of the colour. I agree that they should be removed from this article and perhaps moved to their own articles. At most there should be links to these colour's own articles. Jecowa 03:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
But if those other articles would be permastubs, then I think it's better that they be kept here or moved to a page like "shades of orange" or something - only remove unverifiable stuff, please. Nihiltres 03:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Good idea. Jecowa 03:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I've moved most of the section to Variations of orange. "Shades" wasn't accurate as many of them were actually tints. I was going to give them all their own articles and list them on {{Category:Shades of orange}}, but as Nihiltres said, that would make lots of stubs. Jecowa 05:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Native Americans?

The article says "Native Americans associated the colour orange with kinship".... is this all Native Americans, or particular tribes, or such? //// Pacific PanDeist * 02:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Brown

"Brown is actually derived from the orange part (orange + grey) of the colour spectrum. It can be described as dark orange." says the article. However, how about the following template?

v • d • e
Shades of brown
Auburn Beige Bistre Bole Brown Buff Burgundy Burnt sienna Burnt umber Chocolate
                   
Copper Cordovan Ecru Fallow Khaki Liver Mahogany Maroon Ochre Raw umber
                   
Russet Rust Sandy brown Seal brown Sepia Sienna Tan Taupe Wheat Zinnwaldite
                   

Could one describe khaki as a shade of dark orange? Am I missing something? Jimp 17:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Close, Khaki would be a tint of dark orange. Jecowa 20:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Not all variations of khaki could be considered a tint of orange, though.
tint of dark orange
About these coordinates
About these coordinates
— Colour coordinates —
Hex triplet #FDD9B2
B (r, g, b) (253, 227, 199)
HSV (h, s, v) (34°, 25%, 100%)
Source [Unsourced]
B: Normalized to [0–255] (byte)
This color would be a tint of dark orange. Notice that it has the same hue value as dark orange. Jecowa 20:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Hang on, Medium Khaki looks far too green. elevenzeroonnechat / what i've done / email 19:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
It's pretty irrelevant really. Except for the values from standards like CSS colours, they are all original research, and we can expect them all to be deleted. Notinasnaid 19:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Not all variations of khaki could be considered a tint of orange. Jecowa 19:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Computer monitors

Should there be mention of the difficulty monitors (or other display units) have with displaying orange correctly? Oranges displayed are rarely fully representative of how the colour will print. Various shades of orange seem dull/brownish on most screens I've used. In fact, on some recent Apple Macintosh monitors, I've seen red displayed as indistinguishable from orange. Mr.bonus 01:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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