Talk:Oracle Fusion Middleware

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This article was nominated for deletion on 19 March 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Contents 1 Comments 2 Original research? Unverified claims?

[edit] Comments

Does Wikipedia allow this? This is a company advertising product.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Metroking (talk • contribs) 1 April 2007

Why would Wikipedia not allow it? How is this any different to Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Oracle Fusion is the successor of Oracle Forms; this is a very significant product in the enterprise software world, and does warrant an article. Trust me, Oracle doesnt need a Wikipedia article to do its PR; if Oracle cared, they could do a much better job than the few contributors who have put together this article. John Vandenberg 03:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original research? Unverified claims?

Unless anyone can point to specific parts of the article that these concerns relate to, I'm going to delete the {{Original research}} tag.--Michig (talk) 20:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Basically the whole thing is a complete non-verified list of claims. BTW, it's not up to editors to point to specifics - the onus is on the article to substantiate claims .... A quick look at the first paragraph might result in this, for example:

• is a portfolio of standards-based software products Verify the claim of being standards-based.
• spans multiple services, including J2EE and developer tools, integration services, business intelligence, collaboration, and content management - verify the claim that it spans the services listed
• which allows users to leverage existing investments in applications and systems Verify the claim that is allows this
• According to Oracle, 30,000 organizations are current Fusion Middleware customers. Please verify.

I could go on and do the subsequent paragraphs too, but ....As it stands, this article has been tagged for several months. I would welcome this article been made into a quality encyclopedic article - considering the length of time the tags were in place, I didn't think anybody cared that much. If you think the article can be whipped into shape, I'll gladly withdraw the AfD. Bardcom (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I've added a ref. for the 30,000 organizations, and expanded on that. You can see the range of services covered by the product from the main OFM page on the Oracle website (see the External link). Three of the four subsequent paragraphs already have adequate references, but if you feel they need more please indicate where. It's very helpful if editors point to specifics when adding these tags to articles, as otherwise they tend to just get deleted after a while because nobody is sure what triggered the concerns.--Michig (talk) 11:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)