Wikipedia talk:Options to not see an image
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[edit] Proposing a move
Do we need the long-winded title? I'd do it myself, but that may be a bit too bold, and I learned that the hard way when I mistakenly AfDed Master Control (Cartoon Network)...
Suggestions:
Whichever one you choose, it should have the cut WP:NOIMAGE.
Thank'ee much,Two One Six Five Five τ ʃ 01:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- Experienced editors will cut and paste or use a short cut anyway. This page is for people who need things spelled out for them in plain language, so I choose a title that is as clear as possible for such a person. WAS 4.250 (talk) 02:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- On the other hand, I'll go ahead and make your suggestions redirect here, so any of them can be used. WAS 4.250 (talk) 02:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] I'm uncomfortable with telling people to change it for everyone.
The article currently reads:
[edit] Modify the image in some way
Sometimes a modification of the image or its placement is optimal. Be creative. Make it smaller, crop it, move it to the bottom, make it a click away, replace it with an acceptable image that fulfills the same educational functions.
I have a bit of a problem with this; I think if an image is appropriate, then it's completely unproductive suggesting that people spend their time finding an "unobjectionable" substitute. Wikpedia is not censored, and I interpret that to mean that while users are free to not use Wikipedia, or to not display images etc. etc. etc., that it doesn't give them the right to change it for others.
I understand that another "acceptable" image would of course be in no way damaging, but I don't agree with the motive - I don't think that goes with the spirit of opposing censorship.
It's not intended, but I'm worried the suggestion could lead to a similar situation as in the edit history of Image:Lollapaloozaratm.jpg (contains male nudity). I don't think we should be advocating changing Wikipedia, only changing what a user does; my reasoning is that if Wikipedia's policy doesn't change its content should either.
Thanks for your time, and well done for your work on the article :) Drum guy (talk) 23:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that Anyone can edit. That goes for images as well as text. Of course, anyone can revert too. WAS 4.250 (talk) 23:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Scope/Requested move
This page is intended as advice to people who read Wikipedia, not editors who are involved in building articles. Advice on how to get images deleted or even changing policy are pointless. Also, by its nature, this should be in the Help: namespace.
{{move|Help:Image display configuration}}
dab (𒁳) 12:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- I believe that the name should be as clear as possible and that "Image display configuration" does not clearly communicate that the page is about helping a reader to not see an image rather than helping the reader to make the images bigger/smaller/whatever. WAS 4.250 (talk)
- I created this page to be maximally helpful to anyone who is very upset about one or more images on wikipedia. I believe that encouraging readers to become more involved is useful. On the other hand, your rewording is indeed more appropriate for 99% of the intended audience. I am going to move the deleted material to this page, so the !% that feels inclined to look further and become involved have a better chance of being informed about the possibilities of becoming part of the free culture community. WAS 4.250 (talk) 03:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
That's cool. We have to face the fact that this page is really intended for the clueless. Any reader with an ounce of a clue who decides they don't want to see certain images will just silently sort it out for themselves and we'd never even hear from them. The people who come here and add their complaint to a talkpage already containing a few dozen identical complaints plus patient answers are either blissfully clueless or they just want to make noise, not be advised. Regarding the page title, we should note that this content filtering business does not just extend to images. People can also set up standard filters to ensure content is "child safe" by using commercial "Net Nanny" software. We need to make clear that Wikipedia is just part of the internet. You want to filter the internet, you do that on your end. dab (𒁳) 09:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
- Exactly. Well said. Thanks for helping. I am concerned though that we recognize people can be expected to be emotional when they arrive at this page and we need to be supportive emotionally. The page reads a bit cold and superior rather than warm and friendly at the moment. When you think you have the basic content about right, think about asking one of our better writers to give it a once over for tone. As for me, I'm a lazy SOB and I'm always happy when I can unload responsibility for a page off on some sucker. Ha! WAS 4.250 (talk) 11:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Deleted content
[edit] Modify the image in some way
Sometimes a modification of the image or its placement is optimal. Be creative. Make it smaller, crop it, move it to the bottom, make it a click away, replace it with an acceptable image that fulfills the same educational functions.WAS 4.250 (talk) 03:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Get it deleted
- Delete it yourself. (This only works if others mostly agree since edit warring is against Wikipedia rules.)
- Go to the talk page of the article the image is on and say why it should be deleted. Create a consensus to delete and it will be deleted.
- List the image at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion and create a consensus for it.
- Create or change a policy or guideline pageWAS 4.250 (talk) 03:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fork Wikipedia
Fork Wikipedia. Wikipedia is copy left in both the software that runs it and the content that is displayed. You are legally permitted to copy the whole thing to another computer, change the content (but you may not legally change the copy left copyright licensing), and sell advertising on it to pay for the hosting and bandwidth costs. If you think there is a market for wikipedia without certain images, or with some other changes, then please fork Wikipedia. We want you to. That's why it is copy left in the first place.WAS 4.250 (talk) 03:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] ☡
This issue came to my attention today when I ran across Is Wikipedia wicked porn? So I tracked down this statement:
If you are unhappy with the configuration possibilities available at present, you may consider submitting a code change for the copy left Mediawiki (which displays the Wikipedia content). The Wikimedia Foundation, that provides the hosting and bandwidth for Wikipedia, lacks funds to implement many good and useful modifications to the software that displays the Wikipedia content. Such modifications can be created and submitted to the Foundation for addition to Mediawiki. An example of what could be created is a user option to not display images that are in certain categories.
Seems to me that any honest objections could be addressed by supplying the code to do this. If images could be faithfully and honestly categorized by subject matter, individual preferences could be used to display (or not). An intermediate option, such as a pixelization filter, would also be useful. Maybe such a pixelization would be the default for non-logged-in users. ⇔ ChristTrekker 18:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Content control HTTP Headers
We can introduce new custom HTTP header, for example, X-Wikipedia-Categories and include all of categories for concrete images and articles (for articles need some little modifying MediaWiki software, for images — web server software). Content control software will easily catch it and filter banned words.
We also can add self-censor HTTP-header, for example X-Censored-Content with community defined religious or parental content types. May be we should come to an agreement with W3C, IETF and Content control software suppliers about censored content types.--93.80.101.202 (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
