Talk:Operation: Mindcrime

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[edit] Cleaning This Article

Wow, this article is really bad. The top of it needs to be expanded a lot, really, for such a monumental album. The bottom is just stolen fom an old webpage without credit to the author, and is exceptionally un-Wiki-like. That needs to be removed entirely.

The first sentence seems fine, but would it be better classified as a rock opera than a concept album? Its use of storyline, plot-driven songs and the discussions between them tie the album together a lot more than a concept album.

The paragraphs themselves seem extremely disconjointed - he article has no flow to it, throwing info on the movie version between two plot discussions.

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Queensrÿche's Wikipedia entry lists it as a progressive metal concept album. The concept album list on Wikipedia has it written there as well, and it's generally considered as such. I'd suggest that keeping it like that in the Op:Mindcrime entry simply for consistency's sake. --Stealth 20:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


There were 3 other singles from O:M. http://www.queensryche.com/releases/operation-mindcrime/singles.html

[edit] Thanks

I'm the author of the web page from whom the old article was stolen. I noticed that this article was copied verbatim a few months ago; I was uncomfortable with it but wasn't sure whether I should complain or ignore it. I appreciate the way the article has been cleaned up now.

Kazim27 15:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary

I summed up the plot from what I got from the lyrics/existing summaries. Fair 'nuff? // Gargaj 21:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Seems perfectly fine. As long as it's not complete and utter plagarism, it's fair to do. The previous page was really offensive to the author of the webpage. // Master_Yogurt

[edit] Mary's death

I read a Pamela Moore interview recently where she said something about Mary killing herself. I'll try to dig up a link. --cholmes75 18:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that somewhere in the VideoCrime tape (this is secondhand from some website I saw it on some times ago) it has an image of Mary's body with the word "SUICIDE" written on it. I also recall reading on another page that during their last big tour (A Night With Queensryche, I think it was called?) Dr. X murdered Mary in some fashion (or caused her to commit suicide in some way--I know it involved a gun). We at least know Nikki didn't since his whole motive in Mindcrime II is getting revenge on X for framing him for it (but whether X did it himself or Mary suicided I can't be sure of right now.) So I think perhaps the band themselves have changed their mind over who killed Mary over the years--or perhaps the aformentioned "SUICIDE" image is/was some kind of red herring. --Onslaught Six 4:31 PM, 2 may 2006 (EST)

Indeed, Mary's death was a suicide (of sorts). She answered the phone in Nikki's apartment while he was out, and Dr. X hypnotized her to make her kill herself with the gun in his apartment. At least that's how it was portrayed in Night with Queensryche. --Master Yogurt 11:06 PM, 4 May 2006 (EST)

Hrmm. I think I vaguely recall reading somewhere 'else' that Nikki returned to the church to look at Mary's body one more time only to find the place swarming with cops, and that's when they take him in. I could be wrong, though....Bah, I wish they'd just come out and say what happened. >.> --Onslaught Six 4:16 AM, 7 May 2006 (EST)