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[edit] Map

Map is wrong. Washington has full state pre-emption on all firearms laws. RCW 9.41.270 65.101.132.202 (talk) 00:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Maps is very wrong. Added the Template:Contradict-other pointing to Concealed carry in the United States. I believe that is the correct map (as of 2006.) Matthew Glennon (talk) 05:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
The map on this page is in need of an update, but it does not contradict the map on the Concealed carry in the United States page because that map deals exclusively with the issuance of permits for the carrying of concealed weapons. Laws regarding open carry are different. For example, Texas is a shall-issue state meaning they will issue a permit to anyone who meets the basic qualifications, however, the wearing of weapons in the open is prohibited even in the case of a person with a valid concealed carry permit. In Arizona, by contrast, any legally owned firearm may be carried in the open by almost anyone with very few restrictions, but concealed carry requires a permit. Alaska allows any carry, either open or concealed, by any legal gun owner with or without a permit. Therefore, I would suggest that, while the open carry map may need work, the contradiction template is not warranted at this time as the two maps are about different issues. OlenWhitaker • talk to me or don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 15:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC) 15:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

The map is in some ways ridiculous. Massachusetts is listed as a "green" state--open carry with license--but it is well known here that open carry will get you arrested on disturbing the peace (if anyone panics and calls 911 in fear) if not worse, and that such an arrest (without conviction) is sufficent to revoke your carry permit. Also, Boston has firearms laws that the Commonwealth does not, so pre-emption is not in effect in Mass. The brief disclaimer is not sufficently clear that, for some states at least, this map is misleading fantasy.--Icammd (talk) 01:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 'Goldstar'

'Goldstar' is the definition of the site the map was taken from; I think a GPL-licensed map based on the blank templates and a new definition would be better to avoid both POVism and plagiarism. My first thought was 'unrestricted', but then again it's not really unrestricted since minors and felons still can't carry, so it'd be quite a misnomer. Any suggestions? --Joffeloff 21:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

That pic should definitely be chnaged out. There's this one, but I'm unclear as to if it strictly pertains to the topic in question. It comes from the CCW article, but may not necessarily pertain directly to concealed carry. —Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 17:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm a strong supporter of concealed and open carry, but yeah, that map and terminology really ought to be changed for WP. I understand it came from another site, but... still. I vote "unrestricted" with the fairly common sense assumption that minors and felons need not apply. Exigence 22:37, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
The map and goldstar terminology have been replaced. Arthur 18:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
This sort of discussion (practical law vs technical law) should be held in the Open Carry Forums, though I am ecstatic to see that the map was finally changed for the wiki. I say practical because many states will use "Disturbing the peace" as a catch-all law but THIS is not the place for that discussion, our objective here should be to make this article.

1.) More neutral, which I don't see as being possible because te NPOV tag was removed for awhile but most of the wiki-mods are anti-gun liberals so they will keep dogging this entry with NPOV. 2.) We need a world VIEW, so please someone with some knowledge, get us some data on open carry practices and laws in other countries —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.193.93.2 (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] World map

Are there any maps which show open carry permissive from around the world? If so I would gladly post it . This article has an excellent beginning for US Open Carry law, someone shoudl really add something for Europe.

That's very easy, AFAIK it's forbidden everywhere but Switzerland (in which case the ammunition is four kilometres away from the weapon) and on Svalbard, where it's actually mandated. --Joffeloff 21:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
It depends there are a number of place were open carry of long guns is allowed in unincorperated areas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.128.64 (talk) 09:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Is the proper name for this practice 'open carry' or 'Open Carry'? The article was formerly located at Open carry, but was moved to Open Carry back in 2006. However, 'open carry' is used throughout the article. Unless anyone can demonstrate that 'Open Carry' is actually the technically correct name, I think it should be moved back, in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Lowercase second and subsequent words in titles. Terraxos (talk) 19:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it should be changed back to lowercase. Open carry is an adjective/common noun construction, not a proper noun, therefore it should not be capitalized. Also, the article is, de facto, about open carry in the United States. It seems to me that is should be renamed as such to provide a counterpart the "Concealed carry in the United States" article. This would solve the narrow view issue while leaving the door open to anyone who might wish to follow with an "Open carry in Someotherplace" article. OlenWhitaker (talk) 19:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] State constitutions section

I redid the whole section on state constitutions. It originally made the unsourced statement that twelve states constitutions contained protections for the open carry of firearms without quoting or citing any of them. In fact there are no state constitutions that contain the phrase "open carry," nor "carrying arms in the open," nor any remotely similar construction (yes, I did check all fifty of them.) It could be argued that open carry is implied in some constitutions, and it may be, but that is a subjective interpretation so I removed it and replaced it with purely factual data complete with appropriate footnotes and references. There's still room for imrpovement, but I think it's a start.--OlenWhitaker (talk) 19:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

For many states, open carry is legal because there's no law that says it's illegal. You can do anything you want as long as there's not a law that says you can't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.206.222 (talk) 23:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)