Talk:Onward, Christian Soldiers

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[edit] Salvation Army, various translations

Something should be mentioned about the importance of this hymn for the Salvation Army, about the controversies its military images call up in modern Christian communities (and how different these might be than those it invoked in the Progressive Era, among the Social Gospel movement, etc.), about its translations into various languages (German: Vorwärts, Christi Streiter!), and about the cultural connotations and possible association with fundamentalism.--Bhuck 15:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

If you've got the references, sure, go ahead and write it. Obviously, any description of the controversy would have to be in an NPOV context. --Ssilvers 21:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boer War Te Deum

I believe the tune also appears in the final minutes of Sullivan's Boer War Te Deum.Shsilver 19:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it does. Marc Shepherd 20:56, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Violation?

Much of this page appears to have been copied from http://www.songsandhymns.org/hymns/detail/onward-christian-soldiers which is probably a copyright violation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zabdiel (talkcontribs) 13:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

Two of the paragraphs are obviously based on that source. I have put a specific attribution next to the quote. The rest of the article was contributed to by many editors over a long period of time. If there is still a phrase or sentence taken directly from a particular source without attribution, either rewrite it or tag it for attribution. -- Ssilvers 16:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation needed for negative fact

This sentence is flagged as needing a citation: "However, the hymn was not included in the 1990 hymnal of the Presbyterian Church (USA)"

Citations for absences are not easy to find, but I searched http://www.stjameschicago.org/hymnal/index.htm which has a full title index to "The Presbyterian Hymnal (1990, Westminster/John Knox Press, Louisville)" and did not find Onward Christian Soldiers. Is this cite-worthy?

Rosuav (talk) 03:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)