Talk:Only Fools and Horses

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Someone needs to tidy this up, pronto;

  • It's far too complimentary towards the show, it sounds like it's sucking up or was written by some rabid fanboys
  • Someone has tried to drop a Macromedia Flash file down the bottom of the page
  • There's a list of characters after the external links section.

I'd do it myself, but I've no idea what the show is about. 144.137.189.1

Sorted some anon additions but not looked into POV/NPOV yet. violet/riga (t) 12:07, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

What the heck is a "wide boy"? Seems there's a lot of jargon in here. Maury 12:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

It's an English expression, and an English page, so it should be fine. IT would be quite hard to explain to a non-national.--Crestville 20:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm a native English person, and that phrase is completely lost on me. Perhaps it could be changed or explained? - Timsheridan 22:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
That would be pretty hard. It means what it means really. Though if someone can explain it, fair enough. Maybe give it a page.--Crestville 15:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
In Scotland a "wide-boy" is a boy/adolecant who is very cocky and arrogant. I don't know if you southerners use it in the same way.Jizz 17:45, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Looks like there is already a description of the term here. The reference in the article is now linked to dispel any misunderstandings of the term. - Timsheridan 00:20, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Jizz is spot on. an exspansion of this expression is, "Giving it the large". Lion King 10:34, 29 December 2005 (UTC)PS Not all "Wide Boys" are "cheekie chapies" like "Del Boy" they're a little bit "Naughty" so you give them a "wide berth". Lion King

Wouldn't call it "far too complimentary" at all. It was a show very much loved in the UK and the article reflects that viewpoint. I doubt many who do know what the show was about would recognise the sucking up or rabid fanboy accusation. - 84.92.32.221 19:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC) DM


Jumped the shark the moment the Damian/The Omen theme joke appeared again in the 1993 Christmas Special 'Fatal Extraction'.

I think yer looking for www.jumptheshark.com. This 'aint it. And BTW your totally fucking wrong coz the '96 christmas special was it's peak. It jumped when it came back and Albert was dead and Damo was an annoying chav. --Crestville 01:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Crestville, shut up you tart! Peckham Spring was the last good episode (1992 Xmas Special 'Mother Nature's Son). The Trotters got rich at last, in a plausible, lovable rogue-type Thatcherite fashion (remember Coca-Cola and Dasani?) In my honest opinion it was the last episode that had the old, earthy charm before it sank into self-parody. 'Miami Twice' was a cliche-ridden abomination but the Damian/Omen gag in the 1993 Special 'Fatal Extraction' marks the exact point into terminal decline. And I never thought the Batman and Robin scene was THAT funny. Excellent entry, by the way.

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you talk shit for a living my lad--Crestville 23:47, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The two of you clearly know nothing, or are simply devoid of any sense of humour. Have you seen the three most recent episodes? They're fuckin class. Except for Damien, all the jokes are original and hilarious.

Don't try and tall me I know nothing you Plonker. Original? My arse. They were ok, a bit of a let down. Don't be such a prick "you two clearly know nothing". Based on our opinions of a TV show? Piss off.--Crestville 23:47, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

That first entry is totally gay. The show is not suckin up and wrote by rabid fanboys. It was written by an excellent person. The show is absolutely brilliant. But i suppose you americans wouldnt understand, as you dont know nothing about the UK and only think of yourselves. I have every single episode on DVD, and there all class. My favourite one would have to be Miami Twice.By the way, it lies about Uncle Albert and Rodney in the last episode. Uncle Albert was dead, so fuck the person that put that in. It was Del Boy who confessed to Rodney about Freddie Robdul. Im gonna change the bit about Uncle Albert when hes dead.82.27.19.237 19:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You do realise that the first entry on this page was talking about the article and not the show. Go get some glasses

CHRIS MOYLES didn't create the bootleg of the OFAH theme tune and the Eminem lyrics; it was created and emailed in by a listener as part of an unofficial 'competition' (ie there was no prize, it just became a short-lived feature on the afternoon show) which saw the same lyrics dubbed over a wide selection of music- 'The Entertainer', 'Dallas' theme tune, 'Come on Eileen', etc. More relevant here would be a mention of "Del Boy's Tune" by Ginja & Lee-O, which sampled the theme tune and was included on the double CD "Only Fools and Horses: The Album" ASIN: B00007FZFP 81.109.154.248 14:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC) Marx

"Wide Boy" removed. It is regional slang and is not widely understood.

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[edit] Episodes

Recently, large descriptions of individual episodes have been appearing on the page. While much of this information is useful, it can make the article excessively long and bogged down with narrative. Any thoughts on transferring this information to separate esisode articles, a la The Simpsons and Fawlty Towers? SteveO 19:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Each episode does not need a synopsis. Just the episode title will do. IanUK 21:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] GA comments

If only all television articles in Wikipedia were this good! It conforms to WP:WIAGA with the exception of only a couple points. The fair-use rationale is missing for The_Green_Green_Grass.jpg. Also in the first section, since Raquel, Cassandra, and Damien are first introduced there, you may want to put Wikilinks to the characters and actors at that point, but this is a minor issue. If it weren't for the fair-use rationale, I would have promoted it now, but I think that one is serious enough to wait until it's done, so I will put it on hold. Congratulations on an excellent article and I am glad this one is joining GA along with Yes Minister and Dad's Army. Now if only someone will work on the Blackadder article... RelHistBuff 11:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, WP:WIAGA doesn't require a fair use rationale. It merely says that the images must be tagged (have a correct copyright tag). --kingboyk 11:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe this is Wikipedia policy and is required for all articles whether FA, GA, or stub. Please see Fair use policy. Please correct me if I am wrong. RelHistBuff 12:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments. The image in question now has a fair use rationale. I've also replaced Image:Only_Fools_and_Horses_2.jpg with one which has a confirmed status and added an f.u.r. to that, too. I've linked the actor and character names in the opening section as suggested above, though Casssandra and Damien don't yet have their own articles. SteveO 19:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Berk

As good as OFAH is and much as I admire Sullivan, to suggest that the show popularised the word 'berk' smacks of hyberbole. The word is an abbreviation of "Berkshire Hunt" which is cockney rhyming slang for the C word. NOt only does it preceed the show by many years but was in very common use.

Fair point. I've removed it. In any case it's not a word associated with the show in the way that "plonker" and "dipstick" are. SteveO 09:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] redirect

currently "OFAH" redirects here, I do not know how to change a redirect, so I was wondering if OFAH could be redirected to this article, which is about a conservation organization and charity that uses this acronym. thanks

--Jadger 12:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I've now turned OFAH into a disambiguation page. SteveO 16:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject created!

Hi everybody. I've created a WikiProject for Only Fools and Horses to try and improve the articles in this section. The project can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Only_Fools_and_Horses

I hope you will join and contribute. Cheers! Caissa's DeathAngel 01:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] grandfather

anyone know if the grandfather's name was ever mentioned -the-muffin-man- 15:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure it was ever mentioned in the series, but according to this, his name was Edward. SteveO 15:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ages

User:67.133.58.143 recently added information to the Situation section about Del and Rodney's ages. This I disagree with for two reasons:

  1. Imo that section only be a summary, giving a brief overview of the plot, with minute details such as ages not necessary. All the reader needs to know is that Rodney was very young when their mother died and that Del is much older.
  2. The plot of OFAH has more holes than a sieve and the exact age of Rodney (especially) and Del is never certain. For instance, in the episode "Big Brother" (first broadcast 1981) Rodney is 23; in "As One Door Closes" (1985), he is 24; and in "The Unlucky Winner Is.." (1989), he is still only 26. Equally, Rodney's age when their father left varies (6 in "Big Brother", 5 in "Thicker Than Water" etc). Thus, ascribing any one age to them should be avoided. SteveO 19:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this article ready for an application for Featured Article yet?

It certainly looks to be getting there - certainly most of SteveO's peer review points have been met. Is there anything else that needs done first, or should I submit the application sharpish?? Caissa's DeathAngel 02:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest submitting it to another peer review first, in case anything has been missed. The article has changed a lot since then. SteveO 14:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Congratulations one and all we have just been made a featured article! Well done! Caissa's DeathAngel 17:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode title formatting

I'm going to be really awkward, and ask why Only Fools articles have adopted the convention of using italics for episode titles, while most other programmes and the guidlines at Project Television state that quotation marks should be used. Martpol 18:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I've now fixed it. SteveO 15:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edited episodes on DVD

Many of the OFAH episodes have been edited for their DVD release. Does anyone have a list of what these edits are, and why they were made? Should there be a section on this in the main article?

The episodes were edited as the BBC were unable to get licencing agreements from the relevant artiste's when music is playing in the background.Statto74 16:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OFAH in Yugoslavia

Is OFAH particularly popular in former Yugoslavia? The only interwiki links to this page are from old Jugoslavia. A section on OFAH abroad would be kewl. --Montchav 17:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moving Stuff

Im just moving the stuff from the top of the page to the bottom, where its ment to be. --Ferdia O'Brien 20:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jevon and Chris

Why was the line about Mickey Pearce's sometime partners-in-crime, Jevon and Chris, taken out? They appeared more often than the characters in the next section and yet get no mention. Bentley Banana 01:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

and Walter Sparrow - dirty barry

Whilst Walter Sparrow may not have been as recognisable as people like Joan Simms, he was a well known and popular actor who went on the appear in several hollywood films. I think his inclusion was warranted, yet he was deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.57.203 (talk) 01:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] not actually an urban myth

I've removed this sentence from the History section because it's inaccurate (there isn't an urban myth at all, it's just a throwaway line in a colour piece in The Guardian newspaper), and the item was written after OF&H broadcast. It really has no relevance to this article.

"There is an urban myth that "Only fools and horses" use the drug Ketamine.[1]"

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Raining girl (talk • contribs) 12:15, 7 November 2007

[edit] OFAH - Now on Wikia

Thanks to regular OFAH contributor FlapjackStantz there is now a Wikia that could do with some filling in. Anybody willing to assist? Here's the link: [1]Caissa's DeathAngel (talk) 21:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] added news in the spin off section

However, in 2008 it has been reported that the character of Del Boy is to never be revisited again. Sullivan was quoted as saying "There will not be another series of Only Fools And Horses. I can say that. We had our day, it was wonderful but it is best to leave it now."

Here's the citation: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/29097/DEL-BOY-IS-DEAD/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.86.110.252 (talk) 21:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

That information was added to the history section earlier today, so there's no need to duplicate. SteveO (talk) 21:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Title screen image

The four dots after the title in the image... are they hinting at what's to follow when the sticker is peeled off in the animation, or is the actual title of the show Only Fools and Horses...? - Dudesleeper / Talk 18:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)