User talk:OneWomanArmy923

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Contents 1 How to Tell if you're a Newbie 2 Freemasonry and its Antiquated Views of Women 3 Looking for members to join Project Boston 4 More of Freemasonry's Antiquated Views of Women 5 WikiProject Vancouver 6 Vancouver Meetup Invite

[edit] How to Tell if you're a Newbie

• You hit the wrong edit button and end up in the section below the one you wanted to edit. I can't tell you how many times I've done that.
• You post silly pages like this one just to show your Wikiness
• It takes you two months to figure out how to sign your name properly
• You tell everybody you know you're an official Wikipedian and point them all to your talk page

[edit] Freemasonry and its Antiquated Views of Women

If you did not notice, I was the one trying to give you some resources about the subject of "Women and Freemasonry" and not trying to be insulting. I notified you of your personal attack, because it was breaking wikipedia rules and did not want you to get into a huge arguement with other editors. Wikipedia has its rules and I was trying to warn you about them. As for the hateful message you left on my talk page, I do not care about your life story, nor do I care about your obvious POV against masonry. It appears to me that you have an agenda against masons, per your comments and inability to enter into a positive discussion with the other editors of the Freemasonry article. Please do not attempt to drag me into your attempt to disrupt wikipedia again or I will report you to the admins. Chtirrell 01:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hateful? No. Experiential truth? Yes. I simply want to know why women are not allowed into Freemasonry and my experience of Freemasons so far has been negative, hateful, and it's like clapping with one hand. I ask an honest question and have I got an answer yet? Nope. So report me for attempting to ask a question and telling you my experience with Freemasons. It's valid. People's experiences of being around certain groups of people are important. In my experience women are treated as marginalized, objectified, lesser persons of society. If you deny patriarchy and the Freemasons being a part of that, then we don't live in the same world. User:OneWomanArmy923

[edit] Looking for members to join Project Boston

I noticed you are from Boston. I am looking for people to join Project Boston in order to clean up and expand wikipedia articles directly related to Boston. If you feel like helping out please join up. Markco1 16:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More of Freemasonry's Antiquated Views of Women

I noticed your by now old comment to CHTirrell regarding your personal experiences with someone who was a Mason, and I felt it was important to respond to. In short "one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch."

A little less pithily, I highly doubt that any of the issues he had were either caused by or furthered by his involvement in Masonry. Moreover, he apparently kept his problems well hidden, and it's very possible no one discovered his problems in the situations they were with him in. Masonry is not a microcosm of the outside world, so many things are not reflected therein.

More importantly, as a rational and intelligent person, I'm sure you see that it is far too easy to blame an organization for the faults of a person. Why not blame his religion or his occupation? They could be equally to blame, by that reasoning. The fact is that when it comes down to it, people are responsible for their actions, and a medal from a fraternal organization is not really a reflection of one's overall character. The whole point of joining Masonry is to make yourself better, and if principles are not actuated, it is the fault of the individual, not the organization. MSJapan 18:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, from your comments, I would think that you should have a problem with all fraternal organizations, and you don't seem to. I know of no better argument than "a group for men should only admit men"; it's the same reason why I can't, for example, go to a women's college, join a sorority, join a women's professional organization, or join the DAR, and yet I don't see you railing against that as "inequality"; they too differentiate based on gender.

For that reason, I don't believe that you will accept any argument that might lead you to change your mind, because you will find something wrong with the argument that can't possibly have a recourse - fundamentally, a fraternity cannot be a fraternity if it admits women, and apparently you don't find it acceptable that there are various auxiliary Masonic groups that do admit women, and only women, not to mention woemn's Masonic groups. So, I don't know what else to tell you. The way I see it, you're claiming exclusion to claim exclusion when in fact you aren't excluded. MSJapan 04:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

That's an antiquated view, frankly. Women are in onwhere near the sort of position you say they are. I get absolutely nothing handed to me because I'm a man, which is what you imply. There are plenty of women in positions of power in many fields where there weren't just a few years ago, so it's certainly not a "man's world", which is what you consider Freemasonry to be indicative of, and yet all those other groups I mentioned aren't indicative of a "woman's world"? If you're gnot going to lend equal consideration to both sides of the argument, then the discussion is over. MSJapan 13:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Notice how this man tells me when things are over? This is called privilege and some would argue that his response is displaying exactly what I mean when I talk about male systems being the default and anything remotely feminine is less than. I'm glad he made this remark to me. He shows me that he cannot handle a discussion unless he rules it and he makes the context and rules. He is blind to his privilege, as many feminist scholars have written about and rightly predict that he will swear up and down that he gains nothing from being a man. What a laugh! LMAO. If he sees this he'll come back and bang a club. He simply cannot understand that over the last 150 years women have been treated as less than men. I bet that sufferage has no place in this mans vocabulary and I'm sure that he doesn't understand the implications of suffrage and how we DO still indeed live in a patriarchal society. He will run to logic when I say deconstruction. He will clamour that I am a radical feminist which his class has been trying to discredit for the last 50 years or more. The truth is that my friend, not even 15 years ago had to have her husbands permission to get her tubes tied. So when men tell me that they don't have power over women I have to laugh. It's so utterly obvious in our daily life. OneWomanArmy923 19:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Vancouver

You are receiveing this message because your name appears on the WikiProject Vancouver registration list but not on the Members list. The WikiProject Vancouver is currently having a roll-call; if you are still interested in participating, please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Vancouver/Members and place your name in alphabetically. Also the WikiProject is currently discussing some proposed changes on the talk page. Thank you for your time. Mkdw^talk 08:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver Meetup Invite

Regards, Mkdw^talk 22:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)