Talk:Oneness Pentecostalism (doctrine)

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Well, I guess I found that list of doctrine! But still, what is left on the Oneness Pentecostalism page is insufficient. . .Spiritanointed 01:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

So, I'm wondering if we should add something about "the Standard". Spiritanointed 02:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Check out my comments on Talk:Oneness Pentecostalism. Short summary response: I have the remaining 3 sections of doctrine, just haven't had time to input and summarized them yet (a LOT of doctrine remains: the first 2 were about 35% of the total doctrine and took me several weeks just to type in. 65% remains).-- DeWayne Lehman (talk • contribs) @ 05:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Undid previous two edits. Does not cite sources, contradicts existing cited sources. -- DeWayne Lehman (talk • contribs) @ 05:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Adding to the previous comment, The changes centered around first Emmanuel, which is not the Hebrew for Jesus. The connotation of the title was that the English transliteration for Jesus, Jehoshua/Yehoshua, means Jehovah-Saviour. Emmanuel is an entirely different Hebrew name (also attributed to Jesus), with a different meaning, God with us.

Jehovah is used instead of God alone to make the Oneness doctrinal comparison from Jehovah to Jehovah-Savior (Jesus), as well as calling God by His Old Testament name. God is certainly acceptable, but the topic here is explicitely the name, and this shows the Oneness doctrinal stance that while Jehovah is the name of God, it is also a part of many compound names of God that are Jehovah based (Jehovah-Shalom)from which the name Jesus comes.

The use of "three titles as the singular name of Lord Jesus Christ (Father=Lord, Son=Jesus, and Holy Ghost=Christ). Some Oneness reject the triune Lord Jesus Christ representing the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and baptize in the name of Jesus Christ only. These are called "Jesus Only"." Is not a Oneness doctrine. First, Father isn't Lord exclusively as a direct word to word comparison, nor Holy Ghost to Christ. Second, all Oneness reject the triune, or they are not Oneness. Also, adding Lord everywhere is not necessary, and makes it appear that Lord is part of the name of Jesus. This is not doctrinal either, which is held by known sources to be simply a title, just like Father is.

By the way, Acts0412, I've been following your edit work on Oneness Pentecostalism, and you and others are doing a wonderful job! (Especially weeding out the "additions" of those using it as some kind of platform for whatever agenda they have.) As this article states in the very first paragraph, and in the #1 reference, I've been sticking very closely to UPCI doctrinal references in this side-article. I'm using David K. Bernards intro essay and doctrinal reference at the front of the Word Aflame Press edition of the Thompson-Chain Reference Bible for the work here (^ A shortened version compiled from “An Overview of Basic Doctrines”, an overview compiled the book ‘’A Handbook of Basic Doctrines’’ by David K. Bernard. Also included are excerpts, as marked, from “Essential Doctrines of the Bible.” “Essential Doctrines of the Bible” and “An Overview of Basic Doctrines”, Thompson Chain-Reference Study Bible, Word Aflame Press, 1999, 1-12, 13-25, respectively).

And so, while I am not so interested in the historical bits on the other article personally, I have a special interest in this article that changes even to something as simple as the application of the name Emmanuel apply to well documented doctrines of Oneness churches. I know there are some differences, and if a change is only to a particular Oneness church, that needs to be documented as well. The doctrine page has never been tagged (afaik) with any problems, personal opinions, or other Wikipedia issues. I hope to see it stay that way by keeping an eye on any uncited changes. I'd hate to see the problems of Oneness Pentecostalism spill over here and this become a "battle ground" of theologies. In fact, that's one reason it was given its own page (and length). This is a strictly informational/fact page. Few edits, all cited sources, little controversy. :)

Again, thanks for the great work. Please don't take my edits as anything personal. I have found it a great pleasure to see your other edits! -- DeWayne Lehman (talk • contribs) @ 06:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)