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[edit] Old excerpt

1.) To be able to understand a dream, it must firstly be understood that every dream has four basic functions:

1.1) To fullfill a WISH of the sleeper. This is true even for nightmares (c.f. examples under 2). These wishes go back to those from childhood (narcissistic desires etc.) 1.2) To REGULATE the sleepers MOOD. 1.3) To help deal with everyday life. This function is called MATERY. 1.4) To stop neurotic constituents. Dreams thus have a THERAPEUTIC FUNCTION.

2.) 'TYPICAL DREAMS' WITH THE SAME MEANING:

2.1) Dream of being naked and ashamed: This dream is caused by unconscious exhibitionistic wishes. One the one hand, the dreamer is embarrased and wants to leave (i.e. the I* wants to leave) but somehow he cannot ( because the IT makes it impossible). Characteristically, in these dreams the people around are not appalled. This derives from childhood experiences, in which being naked in front of others was socially accepted.

2.2) Dream of the death of a beloved person: The dreamer wishes indeed the death of this person. This wish, however, does not come from his/her present day life. It comes, again, from childhood, in which 'to die' merely meant 'to go away'. In other words, the dreamer wishes that what he/she interpreted as a CHILD when he heard 'to die' should happen to this person.

2.3) Dream of having to take a feared exam: This dream typically occurs before exams in real life. It fullfills the wish of the sleeper to be comforted by showing him that he has gone through these kind of situations before.

• ) terms from Freud's STRUCTURE THEORY. Oversimplified, ego (I) is our consciousness, which is aware of the rules of society. Id (it) is unconscious impulses and desires.

[edit] Being attacked

I had this dream that I was at a party with my friends we were having a good time. I was spending some time with a close friend in a room when men covered in blood wielding knives came into the room. That was when I woke up

[edit] Falling

In school the teacher talked about one "falling" from the effect of drugs or sometimes from other experiences. I feel this is strange as sometimes i cannot interpret my dreams. For example, once (or probably many times) i have awoke from a dream as i fall from a great height and hit the ground (i believe). I awake when i come in impact with the ground...unexplainable

[edit] Someone Needs to Finish This

This was last updated in January and it still has placefillers.

I don't know enough about dream interpretations to finish it, I was actually looking for this information, so if any kind soul will be a fine gentle(wo)man and do your civic duty, the world will be a better place.

[edit] The way forward, and Oneiromancy

Questions:

1. This article has various "to be written" parts. Isn't this against Wikipedia policy?
2. This article covers—or tries to cover—both psychological dream interpretation and mantic or spiritual methods. I look at Oneiromancy and wonder if maybe we should consider the articles together.

• We could combine the article, presumable into "Dream interpretation," which would cover both topics.
• We could separate the topics; everything "magical," "mantic" or "spiritual" would go to Oneiromancy (with a suitable in-article reference). "Dream interpretation" would only cover psychological theories.

What do people think? Lectiodifficilior 03:35, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

I am speaking to you from the future; can you hear me past? It looks like this page doesn't get a lot of visitors. It seems the article "dream interpretation" was merged into "oneiromancy", which strikes me as a little backwards. Most pages reach here through a redirect (the few that don't are your and my user pages, some pages on magic, and i before e except after c); dream interpretation is the most popular redirect, and unless there are protests, I'm going to move this page there in a week or so. --Mgreenbe 17:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Move

• Talk:Oneiromancy — Oneiromancy → Dream interpretation – Oneiromancy is one form of dream interpretation; most pages reach oneiromancy through a link to dream interpretation. --Mgreenbe 16:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Closed. Manually merging contemporary material into the latter page. --Mgreenbe 10:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Would you believe I came back to change my vote and say exactly that? Actually it looks pretty straightforward by the light of day. AvB ÷ talk 13:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

That's not what you meant? Wait, let me move all that stuff back... :) --Mgreenbe 16:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Result looks good to me. This is a compliment. ;-)  AvB ÷ talk 22:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Voting

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• Support. Oneiromancy is a more specific term, and doesn't merit its own page — for now, at least. --Mgreenbe 16:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose I performed the original merge. I believe this was a mistake. The pages should be separate, but oneiromancy deserves its own page. freestylefrappe 18:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose -- Dream interpretation is a superset of e.g. Oneiromancy and various forms of (psychological) dream interpretation. Oneiromancy assumes supernatural input into the dream process and/or the interpretation process: the dream is used to predict the future (Wordsmith). Freud combined information gathered from dreams with a set of symbols in order to explain the person's past and present feelings and behavior. Others try to activate dreamers to discover possible hidden meanings in their own dreams. AvB ÷ talk 23:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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Anyone awake, or all you all dreaming? --Mgreenbe 16:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm here, not sure about anyone else. Anyway, unlike you, I would say your position means Oneiromancy can have its own article until someone creates a general Dream interpretation article. To me that would be the right time to merge Oneiromancy into Dream interpretation... AvB ÷ talk 23:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the comment. Are you saying that contemporary theories of dreaming are in fact oneiromancy and all is right with the world? Or are you saying that WP:RM is too heavy-handed and I should cut the modern stuff and paste over the redirect? --Mgreenbe 23:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

(1) you say oneiromancy is a special case of dream interpretation, I say the same thing (2) You want to move (for now), I want to keep things as they are (for now). (3) I Try to convince you that the special case cannot be moved to the main class unless the main class explains about itself being a main class and oneiromancy as a special case

Or perhaps I should just demonstrate what I mean - or try again tomorrow after a good dream or so (it's late here). AvB ÷ talk 00:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Right, okay, I agree entirely. It's late here too (2:51am here in Haifa), so whoever gets to it tomorrow first...wins? --Mgreenbe 00:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning

Grammatically, wouldn't Oneiromancy literally be the manipulation or controlling of dreams, not the interpretation of such? 68.102.179.135 08:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)