Talk:Once Upon a Time in Mexico

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Okay, I'm just gonna address the sequel issue. Rodriguez admits on the DVD of Desperado that he originally was going to make Desperado as a remake of El Mariachi (as El Mariachi was basically just for the Spanish video market). However, he decided instead to make a sequel so he could continue the story. We have flashbacks in the film to tell us what the overall audience wouldn't know (because they probably wouldn't have watched El Mariachi) e.g. we see Moco killing El's 'girlfriend' and El getting shot in the hand (as El also tells Carolina later). He later says to Bucho that Bucho's men were responsible for that i.e. Moco worked for Bucho. This makes Desperado the sequel to El Mariachi, not a remake.

Once Upon a Time in Mexico was written as the fourth part of this series: the epic. In the DVD commentary/making of Rogriguez talks about this. He has flashbacks to what would have happened in the third part he never made (the adventures that El and Carolina go on together before she is killed) e.g. the swinging out of the hotel scene. However, Once Upon a Time in Mexico is the third part in the film series (as that mystery third part doesn't actually exist), making the Mariachi series a trilogy of films.

I hope that clears that up.

- Dave

All of the above mentioned points are mentioned in the "trilogy problems" section. The section recognizes these films as a trilogy, although it points out that although all three films are related, it's not a linear trilogy like the Godfather films, in which each one recognizes the events of the previous film(s), and does not do stupid things like bring back actors whose characters are dead (and yes, I'm aware that Danny Trejo and Chec Maron are playing different people in "Once" than the did in Desperado). This section simply makes readers aware of the facts that Rodriguez considered making Desperado as a re-make and that there are a few instances where plot holes occur, posiblly because of Rodriguez's flip-flopping over how to make the films. It's not neccesary to defend Rodriguez in this section, in fact, it's whoelly inappropriate for an entry into an encyclopedia, all we need to do is present the facts, not tell readers how "obvious" it is that certain things did or did not happen, that's an opinion and has no place here. Even the Desperado entry at allmovie.com (http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=1:134790) makes not of the fact that some people still regard Desperado as being partially a re-telling of "El Mariachi" and not neccesarily a clean-cut second part to the continuing story.

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Contents 1 High Definition video? 2 poor article 3 POV 4 AFN agent 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Mexico DVD.jpg 6 Music 7 WikiProject class rating 8 Why?

[edit] High Definition video?

The High Definition video page lists this film as having been shot with digital video cameras, however it didn't look like HD to me. Do we have info on this one way or the other?

The Movie was shot in HD, however DVD discs are not capable of reproducing 1080 resolution. However, the HD quality will be evident in HDDVDs and Blu Ray discs when they gain popularity in the home consumer market.

I think the question was attempting to make the distinction between the look of high-def video as opposed to film. HD Video typically has a deeper depth of field, resulting in the vast majority of the image being in focus. One must also factor in shutter angles, exposure ranges, film emulsion ratings, and film grain. High-def video does not necessarily provide a higher resolution than film; in fact, most film emulsion ratings blow 1080p out of the water. Motion picture film could theoretically be mastered in 2160p or any other arbitrary video resolution. I saw Once Upon a Time in Mexico in a theater, but it wasn't digitally projected -- it was merely a video-to-film transfer. -- Mattbrundage 16:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] poor article

no sources, it has a bias in pro-Robert Rodriguez that puts the article pretty much in the ranks of fandom (no criticism for what is the poorest of the El Mariachi movies, it even has unsourced information that states that it is "the best", i would like to know what critic had the nerve to forget the first movie and state such bold statement, wich is Robert Rodriguez best).

I'm not sure what's the point of leaving an unsigned comment like this. I agree that there should be a criticism section, but I'm not very familiar with what's been written about the movie. I went through and made some minor fixes, but I agree this article has much room for improvment. Doctofunk 15:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

This article is written in a very non-encyclopedic manner and really needs to be rewritten. violet/riga (t) 21:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFN agent

What's AFN? Can't find an answer anywhere. Please share your knowledge if you know. --Mato Rei 14:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mexico DVD.jpg

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[edit] Music

Rodriguez composed the music on his own using ProTools on a Mac and, as far as I know, didn't utilize anybody else for the orchestration. Secondly, the track "Malagueña" is composed and performed by Brian Setzer--not Rodriguez or anybody else and the song features no vocals.

This entire article is rife with inconsistencies and inaccurate information and needs to be re-written.

TabascoMan77 10:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 01:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why?

This film was shot before Spy Kids 2: Island of Lost Dreams and Spy Kids 3-D: Game Over in order to avoid a potential Screen Actors Guild strike.

What's the story behind this? Mallerd (talk) 18:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)