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[edit] Older entries

A thought: Separate article just on discontinued olympic events? Fred--72.56.124.151 09:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

This article is excellent. I am going to add a category to complement it. Toby Woodwark 01:16, 2004 Jul 28 (UTC)

Does anyone know if the article "Art competitions at the Olympic Games" could be mentioned in this article? Does anyone know what I am talking about? Paczilla007 6:43 2006 Jul 26

[edit] 2004 events?

Anyone care to add data for 2004?

Why does the list contain curling as an actual Olympic discipline, but Eisstockschießen as only a demonstrated sport. To my knowledge, Eisstockschießen is just the German word for curling. Simon A. 12:27, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC) No, "Eisstockschießen" is actually a sport in Austria and Germany. It differs a lot from curling. It'd be like saying Snooker and Billiards is the same :-) And curling is listed as an actual Olympic discipline, because it is. And Eisstockschießen isnt't.

  • Since this the English version of wikipedia, I think it would be appropriate to change eisstockschießen to Ice stock sport. If no one objects, I'll make the appropriate changes.

[edit] Chess

In what way was chess ever an Olympic sport, disputed or otherwise? I know there's a Chess Olympiad, but that's an entirely different thing. 193.133.112.61 23:13, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Chess was never part of the Olympics. A tournament may have been held at the same time, but it certainly wasn't part of the Sydney games. I have also deleted rugy union as a demonstration sport in 2000. If anybody diagrees with this, please refer to [the official report] on the games. Chess and rugby were not demonstrated at these games.

[edit] Summer Games

I think this information would more effectively be communicated in a table. I've completed it, however, I did not realize there were games in 1906 until I'd accomplished all but the last 3 lines. sigh...


Year 96 00 04 08 12 16 20 24 28 32 36 48 52 56 60 64 68 72 76 80 84 88 92 96 00 04 08 08+
Archery   x x x       x                               x x x x x x x x x x x
Athletics x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Badminton                                                    D             x x x x x x
Baseball             D                D       D    D             D D x x x x x  
Basketball                               x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Beach Volleyball                                                                      x x x x x
Boxing     x x     x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Flatwater Canoeing               D     x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Slalom Canoeing                                   D         x x x x x x
Cycling x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Diving     x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Equestrianism   x     x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Football   x x x x x x x x   x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Fencing x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Gymnastics x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Judo                               x   x x x x x x x x x x x
Handball                                   x x x x x x x x x x x
Hockey       x     x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Pentathlon         x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Rhythmic Gymnastics                                         x x x x x x x x
Rowing   x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Sailing   x   x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Shooting x x x x x x x x   x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Softball                                               x x x x  
Swimming x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Synchonized diving                                                   x x  
Synchonized Swimming                                         x x x x x x x x
Table Tennis                                           x x x x x x x
Trampolining                                                 x x x x
Taekwondo                                 D       D       x x x x
Tennis x x x x x x x x                 D       D x x x x x x x
Triathlon                                                 x x x x
Volleyball                               x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Watter Polo   x x but not 06 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Weightlifting x   1904-1906?       x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Wrestling x   x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x


Diving (1904–2004) Equestrianism (1900, 1912–2004) Fencing (1896–2004) Football (1900–1928, 1936–2004) Gymnastics (1896–2004) Handball (1936, 1972–2004) Hockey (1908, 1920–2004) Judo (1964, 1972–2004) Modern pentathlon (1912–2004) Rhythmic gymnastics (1984–2004) Rowing (1900–2004) Sailing (1900, 1908–2004) Shooting (1896–1924, 1932–2004) Softball (1996–2004 - will make its last appearance in 2008) Swimming (1896–2004) Synchronized diving (2004) Synchronized swimming (1984–2004) Table tennis (1988–2004) Taekwondo (2000–2004, demonstrated in 1988 and 1992) Tennis (1896–1924, 1988–2004, demonstrated in 1968 and 1984) Trampolining (2000–2004) Triathlon (2000–2004) Volleyball (1964–2004) Water polo (1900–1904, 1908–2004) Weightlifting (1896, 1904–1906, 1920–2004) Wrestling (1896, 1904–2004)

[edit] Events?

I suggest adding to this page, or fixing it to add, a list of ALL events played or once played at the Olympics by Sport/Discipline/Event. Having it in categories would be a great idea, and would act as great portal for getting to the event pages of the games. What do you say? --Jared [T]/[+] 21:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Events went through lot of evolution during 110+ years of Olympic history. Such table will be enormousely big. It could be done for each specific sport at the Olympics page.--Nitsansh 01:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
You know I was think that after I posted that, but I wasn't suggesting a table. Maybe have it like this:
Aquatics
Swimming
100m Backstroke
...
Diving
...
Archery
...
With it like this, there would be the main column (the sport) followed by the next headers (the disciplines) followed by the events. It would take up a lot of space and be a pain to impliment, but I think it might be interesting. --Jared [T]/[+] 01:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it would be interesting... but it would take tons of space... the current programme has 301 events in the summer Olympics (as of 2004, there should be a few more in 2008) and 84 in the winter Olympics... add to that at least a hundred of defunct events... you need a line for each event, plus headers... you see how big that is? I think that such details should be at the article on each sport Olympic history, not in the general page.--Nitsansh 02:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

You made your point....but I just wanted to put it out there. It'd be a pain to impliment. --Jared [T]/[+] 02:43, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demonstration sports in 2002???

As far as I know, IOC decided to dis-continue demonstration sports in the Olympics after 1992. I don't know of any demonstration events held since then.--Nitsansh 00:56, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

  • You're right. I just deleted the events of Synchronized skating as well as Snowshoeing. These events MAY have been competed during the Olympics in a very informal manner, but they certainly were not an offical part of the Olympic programme in any way.

[edit] Merging of Winter pentathlon

(copied from the winter pentathlon talk page) This is just one man's opinion, but I don't feel that the Winter pentathlon really needs its own page. There is no additional information that can be found there that can't be found on Winter sports aside from which five events constituted the pentathlon, and that info can easily be added into the latter page. Since it was just a conglomeration of other sports that was a demonstration event for one Olympiad, it's not a subject that's necessarily notable enough to have its own article. -- Kicking222 21:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. Just move all of that data here, but make it nice and flowing, like the other explanations written after each one. → J@red  19:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Глупые возвращения

У меня сложилось впечатление, что ты и Никсер просто антисемиты. Только так я могу обяснить ваши действия. Вы продолжаете меня возвращать везде и по всюду. Вы плюёте на точные данные. Вы продолжаете приписывать мне новых "сокс" и возвращать всех не согласных с вами. Вы продолжаете навязывать всем вашу точку зрения, а она далеко не всегда верна. Хочу сообщить вам, что я уже давно не делаю изменения в Википедии как зарегистрированный юз-ер, так как вы сразу добиваетесь моего блокирования. Я делаю изменения в Википедии только как анонимный юзер, так как у меня миллионы свободных IP и всех их вы не заблокируете. Вы плюёте на меня, а я на вас. Сам бог свидетель, что я питался с вами прийти к компромиссу. Но вы отвергаете меня, хотя вы сами писали что я имею право продолжать редактировать Википедию, если данные точны. А теперь к сути этой статьи.

1. Фигурное катание и хоккей с шайбой на льду были включены в программу летних олимпиад 1908 и 1920 ещё до того когда были созданы зимние олимпиады. Так что мои изменения точны. Не веришь мне проверь сайт МОК и сайты этих федераций.

2. Банди или хоккей с мячом на льду и Speed skiing были признаны МОК в 2004 году олимпийскими видами спорта и являются кандидатами на включение в программу зимней олимпиады 2010 года. Смотри опять сайт МОК и сайты этих федераций. Так что твои возвраты глупы и бессмысленны. А для подтверждения своей правоты привожу цитату с официального сайта федерации Банди:

"Press Release from the Federation of International Bandy (FIB) 2004-04-19

BANDY MOVES ONE STEP CLOSER TO OLYMPIC STATUS

The bandy world continues to grow. In 2004, there were more nations competing in World Championship play than ever before - 11 in all. There are now a total of 15 National Bandy Federations with the most recent being established in the mountainous Asiatic republic of Kyrgyzstan. -We are now fulfilling the requirements set by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) for an official Olympic sport and as a result we can now seek their approval for permanent status. Achieving this status means that we can now aspire to a place on the Olympic program, says Rolf Kдck, Secretary General for the Federation of International Bandy (FIB). The former Soviet Republic of Kyrgyzstan has scarcely half the land area of Sweden, about five million inhabitants, and lies in Asia bordering Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and China. The nations greatest athletic success came in the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney where Ajdun Smagulov took the bronze medal in judos 60kg weight class. The next most heralded athlete in the country is team handball player Talant Duishebaev who is now a Spanish citizen. Bandy is not a new sport in Kyrgyzstan. They already have eleven clubs, with seven in the capital city of Bishkek, one in the city of Kara-Balta, one in Talas, one in Minkush and one in Naryn. There is also now a National Federation based in Bishkek. President of the recently established Kyrgyzstan Bandy Federation is Piotr Zaplya, who also is the Secretary General for the Kyrgyzstan National Olympic Committee. -This progress strengthens us and lays a foundation for future relations with China, which has a long border with Kyrgyzstan and an outstanding history of athletic exchange with other countries, says Leonid Penchuk, international secretary of the FIB. National Bandy Federations are now found in fifteen countries: Sweden, Russia, Finland, Norway, Kazakhstan, USA, Belarus, Canada, Estonia, Hungary, Netherlands, Mongolia, Italy, India, and Kyrgyzstan. -There now exists the ground swell we need in order to have an opportunity to take the stage at the Olympic arena – there are fifteen National Federations, the sport spans three continents, there are men’s, women’s, and youth programs, the sport is being pursued in IOC’s spirit of competition and as a result we have adopted the WADA-code, which means that we accept the IOC’s directive in establishing anti-doping efforts, says Rolf Kдck. The Federation of International Bandy will now seek permanent acceptance by the IOC. Hopes are that the sport will be found on the Olympic program when the 2010 Olympic Games are arranged in the Canadian city of Vancouver."

Так что мои изменения не выдумка, а твои действия с точки зрения логики мне не понятны. Также в статье Evgeni Plushenko все мои в-правки точны на все 100% и эти данные написаны в сайте самого фигуриста и на сайте ИСУ. Но это не помешало тебе вернуть их. У меня к тебе вопрос. Когда ты прекратишь возвращать меня просто так и когда перестанешь совать свой нос в те статьи и темы в которых абсолютно не разбираешься и просто в них круглый ноль?

  • It is far too late for Bandy to become a an Olympic sport for the Vancouver games, but they has a chance for the 2014 games. This article was written in 2004, but at this point in time (2006), the IOC is looking for the inclusion of various disciplines and events to the games, NOT sports.


Response to User:Roitr/sockpuppeter
First, while I believe your comments are directed at User:DmitryKo (you don't address any user directly in your message), I feel I should make two comments.

  • You can write in Russian on ru:Олимпийские виды спорта, but on this talk page, located in the English Wikipedia space, it is considered quite rude.
  • You make several personal attacks in your comments above. Please read Wikipedia:Civility. I can understand your sensitivity to the constant reverts, perhaps thinking them to be personal attacks on you, but from my perspective, they are still warranted in order to improve the quality of the article. Accusing someone of Anti-Semitism is clearly inappropriate here.

Now, to address the set of edits you persist in reverting from me:

  1. The format of this page is to link to the appropriate "Sport at the Olympics" page from the table. You persist in adding wikilinks to Canoeing and Kayaking (sport articles, not Olympic articles), so that they do not follow the same form as the rest of the table. Please stop, and help us maintain the consistent format.
  2. You persist in adding the phrase "sports and events of sports" to the sections on past summer sports (both the new table and the list beneath). Not only is that phrase awkward English grammar, but those two lists are composed entirely of sports. None of them are events of existing sports. Therefore, the phrase is also inaccurate in those two instances. Please stop reverting this change.
  3. You persist in adding short descriptions and explanatory text for some of the sports in the winter games section. There are 81 other sports on this page that do not have this treatment. That is the purpose of the wikilinks to the sport pages — they point the reader to the page for an unfamiliar sport. In addition to this redundancy, your edits add a lot of clutter to that last section, and make it awkward to read. Please stop adding the extraneous information.

Thank you for your consideration of these requests. I know there are some additional edits under debate, and I wish to find a good compromise solution for those. For example, I can accept your source for bandy on the 2010 Winter Olympics page — although I don't think the source is currently accurate as of July 2006 — but I will not remove that addition until we can find a better reference. However, I implore you to stop making these three changes described above that are detrimental to the quality of the article. Andrwsc 23:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note to Roitr on your edits

I am encouraged that you are trying to engage me through edit summaries instead of just reverting without explanation. I know that you have a checkered past on Wikipedia, but I do believe there is some good faith in your work. For example, in an earlier edit, you kept wanting to add a phrase to the sentence "Demonstration sports have often been included in the Olympic Games and some of these and of the past sports were subsequently added to the official program.". I kept removing it because "and of the past sports" was bad English grammar. Once you explained (in an edit summary) that Archery and Tennis - past sports and were added later to the official program again!, I understood your insistence on that edit, so I rewrote the paragraph to include this sentence: Archery and tennis are examples of sports that were competed at early Games, were dropped from the Games, and then were subsequently returned to the official program (in 1972 and 1992, respectively). I think the end result is an improvement to the article, but it wouldn't have happened if you had not tried to explain what you meant. By trying to force a badly worded phrase or sentence, we got caught up in a revert war. Therefore, communication with fellow editors is essential.
With that in mind, I have broken down, point by point, my objections to your latest edits. Instead of reverting back and forth with all of these changes grouped together, maybe we can discuss each one and arrive at a compromise.

  1. Several sports have been included in past Olympic Games. — redundant with next sentence!
  2. Names of sports — I have been folliwing the names as written exactly on the IOC site linked here. Therefore, we should be consistent and say:
    1. Athletics, without having to also say "(track and field)"
    2. Canoeing/Kayaking - Flatwater instead of "Canoeing/Kayaking - Flatwater racing (Sprint)" (also, not all of the events are sprints)
    3. Football, without having to also say "(Soccer)"
    4. Shooting, without "(Shooting Bullet and Shooting Stands)" (where did you get those names from?)
    5. Bobsleigh, not "Bobsleigh and Tobogganing"
    6. Luge, not "Luge-Kunstbahn" (where did you get that name from?)
  3. Under the "Past sports" section, you want to add ...either as official olympic sports, either as demonstration sports, or a combination of both (in different years), but again, this is redundant and verbose.
  4. Under the "Demonstration sports" section, you want to add ..disciplines and events of sports were... Nothing on that list is a discipline or an event, they are all full sports. Also, it is verbose and awkward grammar.
  5. Same section, you want to add ..as an Summer Olympic Games sport. Again, redundant and bad grammar.
  6. You want to add short descriptions for some sports (Finnish baseball, glima, longue paume, palla, and savate), but this is inconsistent formatting with the rest of the page. None of the other sports have a short description — nor should they. That's what the wikilink is for. This is just a list.
  7. You want to add floor hockey and racquetball for 1996 and rugby sevens for 2000. I have previously pointed out reliable, official sources that claim that there were no demo sports at those Games.
  8. You want to add squash for 1948; the official report for 1948 has no mention of squash whatsoever.
  9. You want to add wushu for 2008; the citation we found clearly quotes Jacques Rogge as stating that it will not be an official "demonstration sport or exhibition" of the 2008 Games, in the same context as this section. It will be there as a kind of unofficial exhibition, I guess, but it does not belong here.
  10. In the Winter Olympics section, you want to add sports, multiple disciplines of the same sport and events of sports. This is just awkward and verbose, and not necessary.
  11. You want to add the footnote notation for figure skating and ice hockey. They are not needed and inappropriate here. Proper footnote usage is to use them to add an explanatory note after the information of note. In this case, we're explaining the situation before the table, so there is no need for a footnote.
  12. In the "Demonstration winter sports" section, you want a lot of elaboration and explanation on most sports. Again, that is not the purpose of this section. All the sports are wikilinked in case the reader needs additional information. Your version is very verbose and cluttered.
  13. We need references for showshoeing in 1994 and synchronized skating in 2002. The official reports for these games make no mention of these as demonstrations.
  14. Recognized sports section — We already have a page of international federations, and it is wikilinked from here. Adding the full list is excessive and inappropriate for this page. It should be a list only.
  15. Recognized sports section — You have added several federations that are not recognized by the IOC, claiming that because they are part of the World Games, they actually are recognized by the IOC. This is false. First, the list of recognized sports by the IOC is clearly stated here. Second, while it is true that the World Games are "Under the Patronage of the IOC" (as they claim on their website, you should also read here, where it states that: For an International Federation to become a member of the IWGA, its recognition by the International Olympic Committee and/or its membership with the General Association of International Sports Federations (GAISF) are prerequisite. The "and/or" phrase is key to understanding. That means that an organization like the World Flying Disc Federation (for example) is a member of the GAISF (see here), but it is NOT recognized by the IOC. That means it should not be on the Olympic sports page.

I hope you will engage me in constructive discussion on each of these points. The revert war is harmful to this article. Andrwsc 21:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

1.Several sports have been included in past Olympic Games. - I do not consider that is redundant with next sentence!

2.About Athletics, Canoeing/Kayaking - Flatwater - you are right! I have deleted track and field, and sprint.

Football - with having to also say "(Soccer)" - To explain to readers that it is spoken about the European version of football, instead of about American or Australian versions.

Shooting, with "(Shooting Bullet and Shooting Stands)" Shooting officially have two disciplines - Shooting Bullet and Shooting Stands and in them have multiple events.

Bobsleigh - These sports officially calling "Bobsleigh and Tobogganing"

About Luge and "Luge-Kunstbahn" see http://www-11.fil-luge.org/Events/tabid/53/Default.aspx?language=de-DE

Luge=Sled. His disciplines callings Kunstbahn=Artificial Track - Olympic sport and Kunstbahn=Natural Track - in the present not Olympic sport. http://www-11.fil-luge.org/Events/tabid/53/Default.aspx?language=de-DE and http://www-11.fil-luge.org/Events/tabid/53/Default.aspx

3.Here I again do not agree with you. I do not consider that is not redundant and not verbose.

4.Here you are right partially. You are right in the list of the "Demonstration sports" have not events, but have disciplines. Field handball - it is a discipline of handball. Longue paume it is outdoor version (a discipline) of Jeu de paume. Swedish (Ling) gymnastics - it is a discipline of gymnastics.

6. Here I again agree with you.

7. For floor hockey and racquetball for 1996 - you are right, we have not sources that claim that there were demo sports at those Games. I have deleted it. But for rugby sevens for 2000, I am sorry, but my sources are good. I saw it on TV itself personally in 2002 too. I trust to my eyes and I know that I saw.If you have another sources for these, provide them.

8. For squash for 1948 - you are right, we have not sources that claim that there were demo sport.I have deleted it.

9. Wushu for 2008 Jacques Rogge told it, but to comfort the Chinese organizers, who have been trying hard in the past decade to persuade the IOC to accept wushu as an official Olympic event, Rogge said that there will be an international wushu competition organized by the Beijing Organizing Committee of the 2008 Olympic Games (BOCOG). [1]. Therefore it should be here.

10. In the Winter Olympics section - sports, multiple disciplines of the same sport and events of sports I change to - The following winter sports, multiple disciplines and events of the same sport. Now this is just not awkward and not verbose and necessary. Speed skiing - it is a discipline of skiing. Ski ballet - it is event of Freestyle skiing - a discipline of skiing.

11. Footnote notation for figure skating and ice hockey:I change it and add it after the information of note.

12. Here I operate under the scheme of the table with official sports. I write spor, after this disciplines of the same sport and after this events of the same disciplines. Luck in the table with official sports. There it is written Skiing – Cross country skiing, Skating – Figure skating and Bobsleigh – Skeleton. Therefore my version is not verbose and not cluttered.

13. For showshoeing in 1994 - you are right, we have not sources that claim that there were. demo sport. But for synchronized skating in 2002, I am sorry, but I saw it on TV itself personally in 2002 too. I trust to my eyes and I know that I saw.

14. You are right and I have deleted it.deleted links for international federations.

15. Here I again agree with you. Under internal laws IOC supports only those sports which recognizes and does not support not recognized sports. I only have added three or four disputable sports here and I do not consider that because it - it is necessary so strongly to argue and return.--88.155.172.118 17:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Perakhantu's response

  • 1. It IS redundant. The article should be kept clean and precise, without being too wordy and long.

2a. You may have a point about Football and Soccer. This could also lead to changes on other pages as well.

2b. "Shooting Bullets and Shooting Stands" do not make any sense whatsoever. The official Olympic web site does NOT have those names at all. It has the sport of "Shooting" then lists the events within the sport. It does not break it down into disciplines.

2c. No. The sport is officially called Bobsleigh according to the IOC.

2d. You may have a point here. There is a discipline called Natural Track luge, and there is a push from it's repsective sport federation to have it included in the winter olympics although this request was declined. Therefore it might not be a bad idea to differentiate between the two. But having "Kunstbaum" as part of the name does not make sense, since many English readers won't even know what that means.

4. Just having the names of the sport OR discipline under the "Demonstration sport" section is fine. It isn't ncessary to state wether not not this is a sport or a discipline. If the reader wishes to find out more, they can click on the link.

7. Rugby 7's. Having watched the game on TV does not constitute a source. You must have a legitamate source so it can be verified. The sources you have given are in Russian and this has no bearing on the ENGLISH version of wikipedia. Plus watching the sport in 2002 means nothing. The Summer Olympics were competed in 2000 in Sydney and then 2004 in Athens. In 2002 was the WINTER OLYMPICS in Salt Lake City. Rugby, obviously, was not competed for the Olympics then.

9. Wushu. You have obviously not read one of the sources carefully. In this source 1, Jacques Rogge states that wushu WILL NOT BE A DEMONSTRATION NOR AN EXHIBITION SPORT. Instead it will be an informal competition that is run by the Bejing Olympic Committee. I agree that this is strange and sounds like double-speak, but since Mr. Rogge is the President of the IOC, I will defer to him in this matter. This situation about wushu is already mentioned in the paragraph on the Demonstration sport page.

10. As mentioned many times before, that much of what you are trying to add clutters up the page with unncessary words and verbose descriptions.

13. Again, watching an event on TV IS NOT A SOURCE. How can we take your word without verifiable information to back up your claim?

14. Adding "three or four disputable sports" that are not part of the official list isn't a good idea. Then anybody can add to the list sports they that feel should be added to the Olympic program. You also keep adding sports that are part of the World Games. As Andrwsc has said, even though the IOC has given patronage to the World Games, it does NOT mean that ALL those sports competed in the World Games are recognized by the IOC.

In summary, I still very much disagree with the vast majority of your edits, and I am hopeful that Andrwsc can also provide a response to your above post. Having said that, I also think that the issues of Football (soccer) and Artificial track Luge have some merit. Perakhantu 07:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

2b Shooting, with "(Shooting Bullet and Shooting Stands)" Shooting officially have two disciplines - Shooting Bullet and Shooting Stands and in them have multiple events. According to the Shooting federation.

2c OK. The sport is officially called "Bobsleigh" according to the IOC. But federation is officially called "Bobsleigh and Tobogganing" - that this is sounds like double-speak. For compromise I change it to - "Bobsleigh".

2d OK. I Have left here only Luge (Sled)-Artificial Track and Luge (Sled)-Natural Track

7. OK. In your sources Rugby football not been written that Rugby was a demo sport in 2000, but they also do not deny it. I have provide my sources. It is not important that they in Russian. It not against rules of wikipedia. There precisely written Rugby football was a demo sport in 2000. Therefore I shall insist and write it in this clause.

9. About Wushu you are partially right. But I still consider that it should be written only with footnote.

10. Here I do not agree with you

13. Again I am sorry, but I saw it on TV itself personally in 2002 too. I trust to my eyes and I know that I saw. I consider that it should be written only with note [citation needed]

14. Here I again agree with you. Under internal laws IOC supports only those sports which recognizes and does not support not recognized sports. I do not add here all that I want, but only that that precisely I know.

In summary, I much agree with you and with Andrwsc. But in some points I do not agree with you and with Andrwsc. The compromise - means concessions from both parties. I have agree and recognized much your and Andrwsc remarks. You too should go on concessions. In other case it will not be a compromise variant and war of reverts will proceed.--88.155.172.118 14:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andrwsc's next response

I think we're making some progress, but there are still some points of disagreement. It's good to see some constructive edits that try to incorporate the other editor's text, and not just reverting back and forth!! With that in mind, I have made some more changes myself, including some of your changes. Please look at my latest version as a starting point and see what else we need to agree on.
I see a handful of potential issues:
2b. "Shooting bullet and shooting stands". I cannot agree with this wording - it is ugly and awkward. I find no reference of multiple disciplines within the sport (for example, read here
7. Rugby 7s. My point of disagreement is not that your source is Russian vs. English, but it is the authority of the source. Please look here for a definitive statement from the Sydney Organizing Committee (SOCOG) themselves. (That web site was sponsored by SOCOG after the Games concluded, and includes HTML versions of the official report plus other information.) Perhaps the situation is that there may have been a competition held at the same time as the 2000 Games (my speculation), but it certainly doesn't appear that any rugby sevens competition was officially endorsed by SOCOG or the IOC. For rugby to be added to the table we need a source of the same or higher authority as SOCOG.
9. Wushu. With the references we have, it is clear that something is planned, but it is also clear that it will not be officially called a demonstration sport by the IOC. Therefore, I think the best way to present this information is a short explanatory paragraph outside the table, which is what I have done.
11. Figure skating and hockey. Here I think we need to follow standard style guidelines. I prefer to see an explanatory paragraph before the table, which makes the need for footnotes unnecessary. It is much clearer that way, in my opinion.
13. Synchronized skating. As I put as a comment in the wiki markup, I spent a lot of time today googling for information on this. There was nothing definitive (either way), but I found some comments on message boards that lead me to believe that there was some synchronized skating at the "Champions Gala" held after the figure skating competition was over but before the closing ceremonies. Perhaps that is what you saw on TV?? If that's the case, then I stand by my opinion that it should not be included in this table as an "official" demonstration sport sanctioned by the IOC. In fact, it would not have even been a competitive event among teams, with judging and ranking, but just an exhibition. I would be ok with having a footnote in the section that describes this exhibition, if that will close this issue, but I disagree that the exhibition should be listed in the table.
14a. references to future candidate sports for 2010 and 2014 in section on demo sports – this just adds clutter to the section and just repeats the same concept that is described in the "Recognized sports" section.
14b. Recognized sports — the introductory paragraph does not need embellishment. The extra text you added to the first paragraph is redundant with the concept of the second paragraph.
15. List of recognized sports — this list cannot include anything not listed here.
14c. future events of existing sports. This is too speculative, I think, without specific references and right now there are no references in that section. To be honest, I think it is best handled on the specific "Sport at the Olympics" page in the respective discussion of the program of events for that sport. On this page, it adds too much detail to an already-long page.
My comments here are based on this revision, which I am happy with. Let's use that as the starting point for the next round of discussion. Thanks for engaging us on the talk page, Roitr, I appreciate that!! Andrwsc 22:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List?

Should we treat this article as a list? It seems the most correct to me. If yes, this cannot go to WP:GAC or WP:FAC but to WP:FLC (with or without previous peer-review). Parutakupiu talk || contribs 17:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, WP:FLC was what I planned to do with it eventually. It pretty much is a list, so I guess it should be treated as one. And good work on it (from where I left off)! └Jared┘┌talk┐  19:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps we should rename it as List of Olympic sports in that case....? Andrwsc 20:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Well it's an important article, but now I think that it's just in "list" form. If we can ever make this into an actual article (I think now it's a morphous mix between the two) then we could try to get it to FA, but I don't think it's really an article, per se. That said, I think it's perfectly fine to leave it as Olympic sports (or maybe, should we singularize it?), as there is precedent to do so. └Jared┘┌talk┐  21:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I would rename only if we want to make it a featured list. If we want to keep it as an article with lots of tables and lists then I'd keep the same name. I think this article is the best place to discuss the "evolution" of the Olympic program, how sports were added and dropped, etc. There is lots of room for more prose and good citations, and possible FA status someday.
This article is definitely in good shape now. You guys should have seen it before and during an edit war with a banned user. This was the #1 article on my watchlist for a few weeks. Andrwsc 21:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
So as far as FLC, you would say no-go, but rather try to get this page up to article status, talking more about the changes in the Olympic sports program? It seems fine to me, I guess. Changing from FL to FA would seem weird and unconventional. Parutakupiu, what do you think? I know you already have the FLC ready to go, but I'd like to see what you have to say. └Jared┘┌talk┐  21:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw this discussion after nominating it (a bit abruptly, I confess) for FL. I already withdraw it so that we can clear up this article/list issue: if we go for a list with some prose or develop it into an article with some lists. Andrwsc has a point - this can become a very good article, if we can expand more on its comprehensiveness (if possible). Parutakupiu talk || contribs 22:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] demonstration events

what about demonstration events? should demo events go under demonstration sports? e.g. Boxing is an official Olympic sport, while Women's Boxing will be a demo event in Beijing 2008. well, actually, i haven't seen Men's and Women's events in a single discipline considered as a separate sport.--RebSkii 16:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The way we've handled this situation before is to mention the women's events on the table in the Demonstration sport article and to explain the situation in more detail in the sport article (e.g. Speed skating at the 1932 Winter Olympics). Andrwsc 17:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Size of each sport in program?

The current tables use a bullet to show the inclusion of each sport in the program of each Games. This is fairly pleasing from an aesthetic point of view, but perhaps we can use those tables to supply more useful information. I'm thinking that putting the number of events in each table cell would be a good way to also illustrate the overall growth of the Olympic program. Sound like a good idea? Andrwsc 23:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I wrote a lengthy response, but the page froze up. Here it is in short: great idea, it might take some time to impliment (unless there's some magical event table somewhere), and for demo sports, all we could do it put parentheses around the number of events. I like it, and it would make the tables much more useful than they are now. └Jared┘┌talk┐  19:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Fine by me :) Parutakupiu talk || contribs 20:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, in my recent work preparing for creating pages like Kenya at the Olympics, with accurate medal tables, I went through every event at every Games and created a big Excel sheet with all that data, so yeah, I just might have that "magical" table.  ;) I'll see what I can do here, now that we have some consensus for the idea. Andrwsc 02:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Bless your Excel sheets :D Parutakupiu talk || contribs 17:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The idea is great and the data added should stay... but I don't think I like how the table's layout has become :S Parutakupiu talk || contribs 22:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Me neither. The cells are very disproportionate. And the summer table is huge! Is there any way we can make this more visually attractive? └Jared┘┌talk┐  22:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Also the bullets don't get well along with the numbers. But I believe that even with the old layout, this would happen with the addition of more columns for future Games. I'm going to think of a solution... Parutakupiu talk || contribs 22:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I added some CSS style code to make the table cells all the same size. You might want to tinker with that (maybe 1.8em??) if you like. The other thing we could do to the large summer table is remove the 1906 column. As for the bullet for demonstration, I tried using a "D" character but didn't like it. Putting the number in parentheses made the cells wider again. Also, we need something that will work in the handful of cases where demo events and medal events are contested in the same sport in one Games, and the bullet with a number worked in those cases without making the cells too big. Again, feel free to improve if you can find a way. I think my work is done here.  ;) Andrwsc 23:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Andrwsc. Your work was very helpful. We'll deal with the layoutfrom now on ;) Parutakupiu talk || contribs 23:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Program evolution

As discussed, this page need to look less listy and more like an article with some lists. One proposal was to develop a section on the evolution of the Olympic Games program. How can it be done? — a timeline with the several progressive changes of the program? (attention to avoid proseline) Talk about the motives for which a particular sport was integrated/removed? Clear me on this. Also where and what type of sources can we find for that? Parutakupiu talk || contribs 19:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New voting method

This IOC article says that now, only a simple majority (instead of 2/3) is required for the addition of a new sport. └Jared┘┌t┐  17:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Collapsible tables

I really like the current state of the tables. The colors to separate the disciplines in each sport are great. I think, however, to make this look more like a page than a list (which is where we wanted to go with it) we need to put less focus on the tables. I think we can do that by sucking all of the disciplines on the tables into one bar that lists the sport name, and it is collapsed by default only to be opened by the reader to see the events per year. This would both significantly shorten the page and make it less cluttered looking. Also, it would be more managable to look at the tables.

I'm just not sure how to do this, so if someone could give this a look, that'd be great! Jared (t)  18:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about something like this (diff), feel free to copy-paste the code over the current article. --necronudist (talk) 19:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)