User talk:Olve Utne

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[edit] Welcome

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia!

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[edit] "Election campaign" :-)

Yes, I just wanted to tell you I'm being considered for WP adminship, so why not use your wikidemocratic right to vote -- and thus support a fellow nordmøring (who grew up in a neighbouring municipality, no less, and had an aunt at Gullstein) in his quest to make Wikipedia an even better virtual world of knowledge! --Wernher 20:53, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC) (not very used to campaigning; more of a quiet backroom guy, really)

Ovsvert! Takk ska du ha :-) --Wernher 17:12, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion about mamzerim

Hi Olve, would you be willing to give your opinion in Talk:Jewish_ethnocentrism#Duplicate_material? Jayjg 23:32, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

OK -- I threw in my tuppence there. Nothing really revolutionary to add though... :) -- Olve 20:15, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Kevin B. MacDonald

Please take a look at Talk:Kevin B. MacDonaldAndyL 14:44, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Jew revamp

I understand where your coming from, but sometimes we must sacrifice a few lesser items to keep things useable. There was no malicious intent to remove the other ethnic groups, merely to pair it down to the 4 largest ones as listed according to Jewish ethnic divisions all of the lesser groups are included on this page which is still linked. I would not think it difficult to find this information using this template.

As for languages I kept the primary languages, as I understand it Judaeo-Arabic is on the way out and Jewish languages lists it as "highly endangered", therefore my conclusion was simply let it go. I also based the choice upon previous comments at Template talk:Jew. Please be aware that I modify based upon what I percieve to be a consensus, most folks deemed that Jewish Populations had to stay so I kept it rather than merging the content with Template:JewsByCountry. Your best bet at convincing me is to get more people to agree. Alkivar 06:38, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish ethnocentrism - delete?

You might be interested in the vote to delete and discussion here: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jewish ethnocentrism Jayjg (talk) 20:03, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! -- Olve 20:43, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question about the origin of Yiddish word schmuck

Doesn't the word actually come from the word for jewel, and is used as a euphemism? Jayjg (talk) 19:27, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Roughly yes, I would say. The Yiddish word שמוק means ‘ornament’ — as in piece of jewellery or lace/s. A שמוקלער (m.) or שמוקלערקע (f.) is a lacemaker. I would tend to believe that it started out as sarcasm rather than as an euphemism — but I know my European Yiddish history far better than American usage, so I cannot claim to have the whole story here... -- Olve 22:54, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What do you think of this posting:
German _Schmuck_ rhymes with English _look_ and means 'jewel'.ÿ Yiddish _shmok_ rhymes with Yiddish _zok_ 'sock', and means 'penis'. It DOES NOT rhyme with the German word and there is no known way in which it can be derived therefrom. The two words are decidedly NOT RELATED, and appeals to a presumed reference to "the family jewels" in Yiddish are misplaced. In other words, Mr. Saphire's reference to "penile and ornamental origins of German-Yiddish _schmuck_" are completely off the mark. There IS NO "German-Yiddish _schmuck_". English _shmuck_ rhymes with English _luck_ and means 'fool'.ÿ It IS derived from the Yiddish word. Our best evidence points to the Slavic origin of Yiddish _shmok_. See, for example, Polish _smok_ 'serpent', 'tail'. [1]
Jayjg (talk) 15:48, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Definitely interesting! But it seems a bit more confident than it needs to be... First, in the world of Yiddish, the word shmuk does exist, albeit maybe not in all dialects. Second, there is no 100%watertight wall between German and Yiddish: Almost anything that is said in some German dialect or other is also said in some Yiddish dialect or other. The two languages may be separate entities as written languages, but as spoken languages, there is about as much of a "sliding scale" between dialects/sociolects of German as there is within any similar "Sprachbund" -- e.g., Scandinavian, Low-German/Dutch/Frisian, etc. Third, the pronunciation of the short/lax /o/ and /u/ vowels in English are often similar, and in New York Yinglish they seem to be particularly so. All that being said, the theory of Polish "smok" as the/an etymology is interesting. I do not know of a Yiddish word "shmok" myself, so I can neither confirm, prove or falsify that hypothesis. The word "shmok" (which should be expected from the English form) or "smok" (which should be expected from the postulated Polish etymon) is not listed in Weinreich's Yiddish-English dictionary. My Yiddish is mostly a literary/linguistical one, so there is definitely a possibility for me to have missed a slang term...All in all, I am not really convinced, but providing of more specific references may convince me if the evidence is compelling enough. -- Olve 03:43, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hasidism and/or Chabad

Olve, do you know much about either of these topics? If so, I could use another set of eyes on an article. Jayjg (talk) 00:03, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I know a bit, I guess, but thinks are insanely hectic right now. Can it wait till מוצאי שבת? And could you remind me then? If it is more urgent, please tell me here as soon as possible, and I can have a brief look if you tell me what specific thing you want a second opinion about. -- Olve 06:07, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

מוצאי שבת is fine. There's a discussion going on at Talk:Chabad Lubavitch about the beliefs of Chabad Hassidim vs. other Hassidim; I was hoping you would weigh in. Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 15:53, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay. That's quite a wasps' nest there...! -- Olve 01:59, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ashkenazic speakers of Ladino

Olve, could you please respond to my inquiry on this subject on the Talk:Ladino language page? Thanks. Tomer TALK 05:55, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Abif VfD

Hi, see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Abif. Thank you. IZAK 06:27, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

Please check out Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/BCE-CE Debate, Slrubenstein | Talk 00:00, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yehudei sheqolenique

Yehudei sheqolenique, ever heard of them? Can you look at and verify the article at all? Thanks IZAK 10:30, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Never heard of them. Looks like a big (!) spoof to me... (I know: Famous last words and all that. But it just doesn’t seem to make any sense.) -- Olve 23:12, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the observations/s. IZAK 06:34, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel

Hello Olve: Please contact User:Humus sapiens who wishes to start a Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel See his request below. Thanks IZAK 06:35, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK (and everyone else here :), Do you think it's time to create Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel similar to Wikipedia:Wikiportal/India, Wikipedia:Wikiportal/New Zealand and other Category:Wikiportals? I'm writing this here because it was you who made those wonderful templates and we don't have a portal yet where we could communicate. What do you think? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 05:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Hi Humus, it's only me here, but I will pass your message on to "everyone". Yes, your suggestion is excellent, it is certainly time for what you describe, but I have no experience with Wikipedia portals, and if you know how, go ahead and start an Israel portal and I am sure editors of Israel-related articles will support you and join in the effort/s. Behatzlachah. IZAK 05:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Banu Qurayza

Hi, I received this request: "Banu Qurayza I'd be interested in your thoughts, and if you have time, your help in editing.Briangotts 02:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)" Are you able to take a look at it, it's also being "disputed". Thanks. IZAK 03:40, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Babel - Classical Hebrew

Interesting idea, but how many people do you think this would apply to? Also, would you separate Mishnaic from Biblical? Finally, I'm not sure if the Babel designation was intended for "non-living" languages. Jayjg (talk) 07:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

  1. How many? Quite a few, I suspect...
  2. Separate Mishnaic (/Rabbinic/Mediaeval) from Biblical? “Probably not” would be my take on that.
  3. As for the “living or non-living” issue, I can express myself much better in the non-modern-Israeli Hebrew that was a quite living language for many generations up towards our times (and which you find in any edition of a siddur, the Mishna, the Mishne Tora, etc., than in the newly-created Hebrew of the 1900s. I suspect that

Classical (incl. Biblical and Rabbinic Hebrew) can be considered at least as living as a language as Latin (see Template:User la-3). What one would have to do with Classical Hebrew would be to leave out the “native” level and just include levels 1 through 3 — just as is going to happen when the native Latin speaker template most likely gets deleted soon. -- Olve 07:50, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Uh...with 2.5 votes for "delete" vs. 10 votes for "keep", it actually appears that, at least for now, Template:User la will be kept. (my vote "conservamus hunc" is a "keep", btw...) The template does not say that it's spoken as a mother tongue, but that the user has a "mother tongue familiarity" (paraphrasing) with the language. (see Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:User la for the vote.) If you can understand "uvnei dan" or "vere'u banav", you're probably at Template:User he-class 2 (or maybe 3), and if you understand parashath balaq and its haftara perfectly, in Hebrew, that is, then you're probably at just User he-class. Note that we probably shouldn't use Template:User he for this, since the template itself is written in MIH. Tomer TALK 03:54, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
OK... :-) Well — if native(-level) Latin has been weighed and found worthy, then I guess Classical Hebrew has a pretty strong case. As for levels... Since I stumble a bit on Haftaràt Baláq, the Template:User he-class is probably out of bounds. But maybe my preferring to say “ur’ú banáv” could earn me a Template:he-class-3 — and, accordingly, a spectacular flunk in MIH. ;-) The language of the templates should, as you point out, clearly not be in MIH. If this is an idea that catches on, then I am sure we can find a good way to phrase things. :-) Olve 07:16, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RFA

Have you seen this RFA? Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/FeloniousMonk Jayjg (talk) 18:52, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Who is a Jew

Please see the recent edits. Jayjg (talk) 15:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tzadik

Please see the page that I made for Tzadik and my comments to the talk page of chabad regarding ther merging of the section "Relationship between God, the Rebbe and his followers" into Tzadik. Thanks. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 04:29, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Old Norse Wikipedia

While waiting for the creation of the Old Norse Wikipedia, I would like as much people as possible to come on this page to dicuss the "neologisms" we should use on it. Please take a look. Yours sincerly. 82.235.122.163 09:50, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

P.S. : As you have many usernames, I've sent this message to each of them.

[edit] An honest attempt

Your latest post at Talk:Norwegian language is very disappointing. You have shown an extremely unhelpful and ungenerous attitude while presenting very few reasonable arguments to support your position. For one thing, accusing me for being some sort of instigator of disputes initiated by other users as well as a POV-pusher for sticking to the only applicable policy in these matters is very frustrating. Do you have any idea how much time I've wasted on just making sure that people like the Norwegian anon don't impose their very real POV and personal opinions in articles like Scandinavian languages (see Talk:Scandinavian languages for the debate)? I would like nothing better than to focus my time on just improving language articles, but considering how many people take it for granted that their view on language is relevant, no matter how flawed their reasoning is or if relevant sources refure their claims, this is time and again effectively hampered. And trust me, this is not mere opinion clashes; it's trying to prevent people from crapping up articles through editing based on pure, scientifically unsupported personal opinion; something quite common in language articles.

Considering your actual additions to Norwegian language are limited to some minor comments about orthography, I'd really like to see you make up for this lack of commitment with an honest attempt at a proper discussion instead of throwing your hands up and blaming the entire conflict, including the behavior of abusive third partries, on me.

Peter Isotalo 23:52, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

Hi, Olve. You've commented on Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Haukurth with the words "Oppose for reasons of ethical integrity and Wikipedia’s academic credibility." I humbly ask you to reconsider your opinion. I have replied at some length to various concerns with my participation in the User:Amalekite discussion and I hope you can take the time to read my comments, especially the most recent ones. If there are still concerns you feel I have not addressed please let me know and I will see if I can clarify anything. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 21:59, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Judaism_and_Christianity#Love

Hi Olve, I thought you might be interested in this section, recently added to the article, and in the discussion on the Talk: page regarding it. Jayjg (talk) 18:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me. Wish I had much more time right now... Could easily spend a week or three on that article. :) Olve 06:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mange takk!

Hey Olve! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was (57/4/3), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, have a question, or just want to chat (or if I get out of line!), please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D

Tomertalk

[edit] See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Speedy

Hi Olve, See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Speedy [2] for ANOTHER vote to rename the following. Also since you were the one who provided the evidence that this was the solution on the Norwegian Wikipedia, could you please add the relevant Norwegian links into this new vote. Best wishes! Thank you, IZAK 13:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh --> Category:Tanakh
Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh events --> Category:Tanakh events
Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh people --> Category:Tanakh people
Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh places --> Category:Tanakh places
Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh prophets --> Category:Tanakh prophets
Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh-related stubs --> Category:Tanakh stubs
Category:Jewish texts/Ketuvim --> Category:Ketuvim
Category:Jewish texts/Nevi'im --> Category:Nevi'im

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Radhanite

This FAC is being opposed by a POV pusher who has consistantly tried to downplay Jewish contributions to history (while simultaneously shrugging off or sweeping under the rug Muslim atrocities against Jews and others, see, e.g., al-Andalus and Banu Qurayza). Please review the article when you are able and weigh in on the FAC page, or not, as you feel appropriate. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 05:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hebrew Alphabet

Saw this message, what do you think of it? IZAK 06:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC):

"I have rewritten the articles on all the Hebrew letters here and before I replace the pages, your input would be appreciated. Thanks! Sputnikcccp 16:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)"

[edit] Edvard Grieg

I wonder if you are familiar with his violin sonata in C minor? Do you think it would be worthy of an article here? --HappyCamper 06:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bible verses and chapters on Wikipedia

Hello Olve: Shavua Tov ! It is important that you see the following proposed Wikipedia policy pages and their discussion pages at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Verses of 1 Kings 4 and 5 AND Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Whole bible chapter text. Thanks for giving this matter your serious attention before discussion is closed and the "policy" is set. IZAK 09:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chabad link in Minyan Article

Hello, Olve, I would appreciate your comments/opinions in the debate I am having with PinchasC here: Talk:Minyan#External_Links. Thank you. -- Avi 17:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tartini's terzo suono on Beat (acoustics): can you help?

On Beat (acoustics) there is the phrase playing pure harmonies on the two upper strings like a c against an open e-string whose exact meaning I cannot figure out. As a violinist, could you explain it to laymen?--Army1987 21:08, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

OK — I have tried to write it a bit clearer, and have also corrected a mistake. It is wordier now, but hopefully a bit easier to understand. -- Olve 03:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marginal tonality

You added Category:Tonal languages to the articles on Swedish and Norwegian, but I can't quite agree with the classification and I reverted them. Yes, both of them feature tone to a minor extent, but it's quite marginal and not lexically unpredictable like in more prominent tone languages. After all, the Scandinavian tones don't signify grammatical features like tense or anything comparable.

Peter Isotalo 11:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

That would go for Punjabi to, wouldn't it? I agree that tonemes are relatively marginal (though rather audible) in Rikssvenska. And they are also present in many dialects of Danish. (I didn't include Danish, since they are more marginal there.) But in Norwegian, and esp. Nynorsk and “Radical Bokmål”, they take on a more central rôle — compare rota (T1: ‘the root’; T2: ‘made a mess’), husa (T1: ‘the houses’; T2: ‘boarded, had in one’s house’), Eli (T1: man’s name or family name; T2: woman’s name), skjelven (T1: ‘the being shaky’; T2: ‘shaky’), etc.
A few grammatical feature /toneme links in Nynorsk and “Radical Bokmål” are:
  • T1-en: monosyllabic masculine singular determinate vs. T2-en: adjectival form, bisyllabic masculine singular determinate
  • T1-a: monosyllabic feminine singular determinate, monosyllabic neutrum plural determinate vs. T2-a: verbal past tense; bisyllabic feminine singular determinate
This goes for the standard forms of the language/s.
In addition, in dialects which have kept the dative as a separate case, it is frequently found that toneme is central within the inflexion of each word:
  • Husa (T1: ‘the houses’ (neutrum plural determinate, nom./akk.); T2: ‘(in) the house’ (neutrum singular determinate, dat.)
Also, isn’t it a bit rash of you to just revert this without discussion? I will leave Swedish out, since your arguments hold for the standard language, but will reinstate Norwegian in the category. -- Olve 18:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Convincing argumentation. You make the call on Swedish if you feel like it.
Peter Isotalo 14:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Census information

Thanks for the support on my Talk: page. Jayjg (talk) 18:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yeshiva counterpart

From your edits to Template:User_Yeshiva I see that you feel that the template serves to represent any type of Rabbinic students, whether Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative in their Rabbinical seminaries. However, I disagree and feel that the user:yeshiva Userbox should refer specifically to Yeshivas and their counterparts for females which are known in Yeshivish, and probably English as "Seminaries." So I'm proposing that I should create a new Userbox template to represent Jews who are in either Yeshiva or Seminary, and a separate userbox for other types of Rabbinic seminaries because Yeshivas are not nessecesscescarily Rabbinic seminaries, and surely Bais Yaakov schools, to which Jewish Seminary redirects (because it was requested here that anarticle for Orthodox girls' schools be introduced to the Wiki) are not Rabbinical seminaries (because Orthodox girls do not become Rabbis). So what do you think? Also, can you please move away your userboxes from your talk page because they get in the way? --רח"ק | Talk 20:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

My “edits”? I made the template...! </frustrated sigh> <On a more positive note:> If you don’t like the broad scope of it (yes, it does have a broad scope), I have nothing against your making others for specific uses (but please let this one be broad), and I would be happy to help. Maybe something like: {{template:User Yeshiva Orthodox}} (could be split by gender), {{template:User Yeshiva Conservative}}, (with redirect from “... Masorti”), {{template:User Yeshiva Liberal}} (with redirects from Reconstructionist, Reform, Progressive, etc.). For those of us who study in Yeshivot/Seminaries which are non-denominational, those categories don’t fit, however, and the use of the existing, general user box seems to be the best solution.
Concerning the user boxes, I’ll look into the options for structuring them differently. Please tell me how they get in your way, so that I can have a better picture of how to fix the problem. -- Olve 21:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

{{template:User chareidi Yeshiva}}: Great job, Rachack! :-) Olve 21:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Your userboxes are on top of the top part of your talk page. Might I suggest making a separate page User:Olve/userboxes. I have done that also at User:Rachack/userboxes. --רח"ק | Talk 21:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Ah — the good ol’ low-resolution monitor problem... :] OK — I moved them to the bottom of my user page now. I also took out the tables, so that the boxes can wrap freely. Thanks for telling me about the problem! :-) שבת שלום -- Olve 22:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Camisia, qamis

If there's a PIE root, kem, for camisia, then camisia is unlikely to be derived from qamis. The derivation would be the other way around. Do you have some linguistic source for the argument the other way?

Just in terms of the history of clothing, the earliest woven clothing tends to be simply lengths of cloth, worn as loincloths, kilts, cloaks, etc. This would be true of Egyptian, Mesopotamian, early Greek, South Asian, etc. clothing. Cutting and sewing, as for shirts, tends to characteristic of northern peoples making garments of skins. Later, cutting and sewing are applied to cloth. In older clothing, the cuts are designed not to waste an inch of cloth. Truly ingenious cutting and piecing, lots of gores and gussets. Indo-Europeans are much more likely to have worn sewn rather than wrapped clothing, I should think. Would have to look at evidence from steppe graves to be sure. That would strengthen the case for an Indo-European origin for camisia. Zora 10:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I just noticed -- on your user page, you mention POD publishing of The Vale of Cedars. I was one of the proofreaders for that book, when we put it through Distributed Proofreaders.
See http://www.bartleby.com/61/12/C0271200.html and http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/S240.html -- Olve 00:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category Indian Jews

There is already a category, Desi Jews. Desi is used for any South Asian. Indian Jews would be a subcategory -- but I'm not at all sure that it's needed. The division between Pakistan and India is quite recent, the Jewish communities of South Asia are very old, and there was, I believe, a fair bit of movement between communities. Did you know about the Desi Jew category when you created the Indian Jew category? Zora 03:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Public transport Userbox

===>Thanks. -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 23:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

De nada! :-) Olve 23:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! -Smahoney 02:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks from me too! However, another user, Disavian, seems to have simply edited my own user page to accomplish an equivalent thing. -- BRG 13:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep. AWB is a wonderful thing. I'd reccomend that you (Olve) check to see if it's included on any userpages before you userpage-spam. Admittedly, I might not have gotten all of them. Just saying... —Disavian (talk/contribs) 05:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
“Userpage-spam”...? -- Olve 06:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias for the tip :) --Michaelk 09:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kashrut Userbox

Thanks for changing my Userpage reference to the "User kosher" box into the new template reference! Todah Rabah! --Tuvok 02:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Iberian Jews

Thanks for the revert, but I've had to do it again. Some people are very persistent. Please feel free to activate your e-mail, and e-mail me. --Newport 11:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

Hi Olve, thank you for reminding me to be civilised at all times. Although I stand by the views expressed, I regret the manner in which I said them. Many thanks, Nesher 20:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

No worries. :) I put one citation in (for now) and added category:rabbis. I agree with you that the category Orthodox rabbis. The article should be toned down a bit, and it should be made clear that her formal title was Tanna’it. The specific title Rabbi was not commonly used in the time and place in question to the best of my knowledge, but it is clear from the sources that that is the closest word we have in modern English... כֹּל טוּב -- Olve 20:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asenath Barzani

Hi Olive! I've added a section Status as Rabbi and suggest presenting evidence/scholarship on her rabbinical status in this section (properly sourced). The issue of whether she had the title Rabbi (unlike Taana'it) seems to be a controversial one, and it's not clear whether it represents a modern scholar's opinion of what her title might or should have been, as distinct from historical documentation of what her peers actually called her. A separate section permits a full discussion of all scholarly opinions as to whether she was or was not a Rabbi. Do you think this is reasonable? --Shirahadasha 20:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Sounds very reasonable to me. My impression from the works I have read on the topic is that she did not have the title Rabbi, but that the title Tanna’it was a Rabbinic title — along with Ribbí (Rebbí, Rabbi), Rab (Rav, Rov), Dayyán, Ḥakhám (Hacham, Haham), Haham Başı (Hakham Bashi), Rishón leṢiyyón (Rishon leTzion), etc. -- Olve 20:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Public transport userbox

hey Olve,

just wanted to say thank you for the public transport user box info

devonwhittle 12:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sikhism

Hi Olve! Please check out the discussion at da:Diskussion:Abrahamitiske religioner. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 19:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish and Portuguese Jews' categories

Shalom Olve: Hope all is well with you. Chag Sameach. I was wondering if you could help out. I am in the process of organizing Category:Jews and Judaism by country which usually involves bringing together three or four categories into under a parent category. I have just worked on the Spanish and Portuguese sub-categories and I know you have an interest in this subject. Unfortunately I have discovered overlaps (very common) because editors use the terms "Jews" "Jewish" "Judaism" and "Jewish history" very loosely and this can create redundancies without editors knowing what others have already done. Soooo, please take a look at Category:Jews and Judaism in Portugal (this is the parent category that I have just created) and you will see that it holds three sub-categories:

and they only have articles about people, sometimes the same ones.

See also the parent category Category:Jews and Judaism in Spain, it has two sub-categories:

and again, you will se that there is an overlap, and that articles about individuals in Category:Jewish Spanish history should actually be placed into Category:Spanish Jews. If you could find the time to look through and place the biographical articles into Category:Spanish Jews that would be great. And also to try to tighten-up the spread of articles in the various Portuguase categories. Thanks in advnace for your efforts. If you cannot do this let me know. I may ask someone else to help. Best wishes, IZAK 07:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great timing on your first edit to Allegations of Israeli apartheid

Hi Olve. I was looking through the history of the AoIA article and it seems that your first edit to the article, a revert in a widespread revert war (this edit [3]) happened today -- see [4]. It's timing was impeccable. I was wondering how it is you happened upon that article at that exact time - can you explain? Just trying to understand the strangeness that has been going on with that article. --Deodar 01:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Anyways, it was really frustrating today since that revert war was based on a misunderstanding. No one did undo all of SV's edits and I had taken the changes to the talk page. Going forward, it is best to use the talk page rather than have a pile one, pile ones only encourage one side to be left with bad taste of feeling bullied, as SV mentioned on the AoIA talk page [5] -- something that needs to be avoided. --Deodar 02:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You will probably find that I have edited a lot of articles the first time at some point. Some times, those edits are tiny, other times not. I try to make a point out of spreading my edits a bit. Lately, I have edited less than usual and am finding myself in a situation where lots of patience and low-level edit “wars” over days and days is something I do not have the time and energy to engage in. I apologise if my revert of the suddenly high-speed re-ordering of the article and my urging people to take things to the discussion page (!) has hurt anyone’s feelings. I have usually tried to keep away from particularily contentious topics since saying anything sensible there tends to lead to accusations and insinuations, but sometimes I fail to do that... :] Olve 20:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Things seem to have calmed down now, thankfully. BTW my great grandmother immigrated from Olso, Norway to the north-western United States around 1920 in what was a mass wave of Norwegian immigration to North America. --Deodar 02:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
1) Good! :-) 2) Interesting! :-) I have some relatives on the US west coast too. And some more distant ones in the more typically Scandinavian Midwest... (Don't know if Eric Utne is a relative though...) Do you know where your family came from before Oslo? -- Olve 23:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote request

Please Vote, as per wiktionary the correct spelling is Wiktionary:anti-Semitic NOT Antisemitic. 70.49.86.196 22:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Safiyya

Hi, please can you get involved in the talk on the Safiyya bint Huyayy article. Please read through the talk and make out if you agree that she should not be called a concubine in adddition to a 'wife' of mohammad. In my view, it was a marriege out of fear. Thanks FrummerThanThou 23:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shalwar vs. Salwar Redux

Hi, Since you had posted an opinion on the preferred (Wikipedia) spelling of this apparel, I was wondering if you could respond to Shalwar vs. Salwar Redux. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Backpacking

Hello, I noticed you seem to like Backpacking and was wondering if you'd be interested in WikiProject Backpacking, a new project geared towards improving backpacking related articles on Wikipedia. If you'd like to join, show support by signing your name at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Backpacking and by helping to edit our beta project page at User:Leif902/WikiProject Backpacking. Thank you, and have a nice day! -Leif902 00:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Re. Aure, Norway

Hei Olve. I will have to decline your request to protect this article as the current level of vandalism does not justify protection at this time. However, I've added this article to my watchlist and will promptly revert any vandalism to it. One of the vandals has already been blocked indefinitely. Best regards, Húsönd 20:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

All right — if I don't have to watch it more-or-less alone, that will definitely help... :] Olve 14:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do you understand Aramaic?

Do you understand Aramaic or know of someone on wikipedia who understands Aramaic; I'm looking to translate some angel names. Mursiel and Baviel. Let me know if you know or if someone else knows, that seems like an awful lot of knows...ha ha! Thanks. Lighthead 23:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Well — bab(a) (Bét-Bét) means ‘gate’, so one can say that Baviel or Babiel means ‘the Gate of God’ or ‘God is my gate’. The name Mursiel does not seem to make sense to me, unless it is a typo of, e.g., Muriel... -- Olve 23:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] concerning BernardZ

You are a funny guy! But thanks - let's hope he gets the message. Slrubenstein | Talk 18:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Well — let's hope... :] Olve 18:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: Thank you

Ingen problem. Tomertalk 02:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Iceland

Maybe you are interested in this project... --Michkalas 15:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] The neo-lachrymose conception of Jewish-Arab history

I have responded to your comment on the AfD. Can you please take a look (also at the details I have provided under my keep vote) Thanks --Aminz 07:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. Peace --Aminz 06:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ritual washing in Judaism

The Ritual washing in Judaism article has recently gone a major re-write, with much contentious material inserted. I've tried to clean up some of it, but I'd appreciate it if you could take a look. Jayjg (talk) 18:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Artur Carlos de Barros Basto

Hi Olve: I came across this article: Artur Carlos de Barros Basto. It's interesting and needs some work. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 09:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Germany Invitation

Hello, Olve! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be.

--Zeitgespenst (talk) 11:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My rfa

Well, not this time anyway it seems...my effort to regain my adminship was unsuccessful, but your support was still very much appreciated. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. Thank you!--MONGO 07:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:User Yeshiva Conservative

A tag has been placed on Template:User Yeshiva Conservative requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rfb participation thanks

Hello, Olve.

I wanted to personally thank you for taking part in the project-wide discussions regarding my candidacy for bureaucratship. After bureaucratic discussion, the bureaucrats decided that there was sufficient significant and varied opposition to my candidacy, and thus no consensus to promote. Although personally disappointed, I both understand and respect their decision, especially in light of historical conservatism the project has had when selecting its bureaucrats. If you have any further suggestions or comments as to how you think I could help the project, please let me know. Once again, thank you for your support. -- Avi (talk) 19:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New name

Hey, congratulations on the new user name, it suits you! Jayjg (talk) 02:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)