User talk:Olive

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Projects

Presently preparing the history of ICT and ICL International Computers Ltd.

Other projects Rock music Theatre Misc. travel

St James's Theatre gives useful information. It is the basis for establishing information about historical theatre in London and the plays and performers. There are other references to it in wiki-pedia - yet you do not list it or have information.


User:chris 73 & Vandalism

First, I am glad that you got a login. This makes talking much easier. Secondly, I am also glad that you apologized to User:Modemac. Regarding vandalism: Adding links or content is no vandalism. Your actions as User:195.188.152.16 on the page of User:Modemac, however, was. That's why I alerted others of your actions, and you got banned for a short period of time. Back then you were a vandal. However, this does not mean that you will be a vandal in the future. Actually, I think your recent actions look very promising, and I am looking forward for your contributions. I removed the "caught vandal" notice from my User:chris 73 page.

Regarding the links you added: I didn't like an external link to a site with other links, so I removed it. I think that's what got you in trouble with User:Modemac in the first place,　who also did not like your link to a linklist. I just noticed the multiple reverts by User:Modemac, including your profanities, and tried to give him a helping hand, which got you banned and gave you some time to cool off. May I suggest that you pick one or two of the best links related to a topic on the linklist the rocksite, and add those to the article instead of the linklist?

I don't remember exactly. where I though you removed content. Sorry. I also checked some of your other contributions, and saw no problem with them, so I did not touch them (e.g. St James's Theatre and others). A few more notices: Do not edit the page of another user. Add comments only on the talk page. Also, if you would like your past contributions to your new username, you can do so on Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit, although this may take some time. Finally: Welcome to Wikipedia, User Olive. -- Chris 73 | (New) Talk 15:04, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Oh, forgot to mention: You can acess the talk page of any user by clicking on "Discuss this Page" on the menu on the left. Similar for all other pages (articles, village pump, etc.) -- Chris 73 | (New) Talk 15:20, 2 May 2004 (UTC)


Regarding your response on my talk page
It is difficult to discuss things with an anonymous user. Again thanks for getting a login. I have to admit that I also sometimes get a bit careless when reverting anonymous contributions, and you user:modemac edits propably put me in a negative mood towards your other edits. My apologies. Regarding the links to linklist: I am not aware of any special policy, It was just my feeling (and probably modemac's, too). Just out of curiosity: Are you affiliated with "the rocksite"? Again, I am glad that things are improving now. Best regards -- Chris 73 | (New) Talk 15:31, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Olive, regarding linking to TheRocksite, I honestly think this is a bad idea. This is more a personal policy than a Wikipedia one, but allow me to try to justify it. As a result of this personal policy I removed a large number of links on the Wikipedia to a site called GreatSnakes.

Suppose a company producing plungers decided that it could get free advertising by adding a link to itself on the plunger page. If they produced, say, 90% of the plungers in the world, then this may in fact be an interesting and relevent resource for people interested in plungers in general. On the other hand, if they're a startup in the middle of Iowa, it's not really relevent to the article. It is about plungers, but it's not universal; it's no different from creating a "vanity page", an article about oneself, when oneself is not famous or significant in any way. A proliferation of such links, as would arise if they were not removed, would lead to bloat and worse, readers being unsure about which links are really worth following.

Similarly, the links to your site are not really relevent. Your site does discuss the topic - somewhere - and related topics, but the link is not directly to the relevent page, and your page is honestly about as relevent as any other of the thousands of information sites on the topic out there. My general rule is this: links should go either to highly esteemed sources, such as government sources or official band sites, or to highly relevent sources, such as another detailed article on exactly the same topic.

I don't ask you to share my views, although that would be nice, but I hope this gives you some insight into why some would disagree so strongly with your links.

Derrick Coetzee 20:33, 2 May 2004 (UTC)


Hi Olive. I am glad that things cooled down now. Thank you very much for removing your objections to my adminship. Regarding you adding links (as User:195.188.152.16) to your own site "The Rocksite": It's a nice site, but I still disagree with the links for two reasons:

  • a direct link to the most relevant subsites would be better
  • linking your own (non-commercial) site at Wikipedia can be seen as self-promotion

In any case, I will no longer remove links to "The Rocksite", so the situation between us does not escalate again. Some wiki users may agree with you, some with me, but I fear that the links will continue to give you some trouble. At least with a login this can be discussed before it comes to blows. Anyway, happy contributing and Best Regards -- Chris 73 | Talk 00:12, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

Re: Requests for Adminship

Apologies if I came across as a bit harsh, I know I sometimes do. I wasn't looking for validation of your comments, just reminding you that while not logged in and not signing your comments you can't really take part in discussions at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. -- Graham :) | Talk 21:57, 2 May 2004 (UTC)