Talk:Olive

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Reviewed version: June 22, 2007
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[edit] Methods of Curing

A major part of olive production is the curing process. Without curing, the fruit of the olive would be poisonous. There are two methods of curing, oil and brine curing. Why is there nothing about this in this Long article? --Quodfui 14:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC) 14:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] After 1920?

Was *anything* in this entry written after 1920, other than my one sentence about the Athenian pottery industry? Vicki Rosenzweig

  • looks to me like an (uncited) EB 1911 text. It could use a little, er, pruning as well...-- Viajero 10:51 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Sections

Should be broken into sections. Kent Wang 23:29, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig?

I want to add another page to the listing of alternatives at the top, Olive, a dance music band from the 1990's. Three would be a bit much, so presumably a disambig page is called for. Where should it be placed? Move this one, or just link to it at the top? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiand (talk • contribs)

Olive the band? Pretty obscure, even for Wikipedia. Their banal name is probably a major reason for their obscurity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghosts&empties (talk • contribs)
FYI, there's already an article on the band, Olive (band) and it's also listed in the disambig page. Btw, you've just responded to a year old message. :P --Andylkl (talk) 19:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Modern cuisine

This could use some things on olives in modernday cuisine as well. --Kasperl 17:34, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Long life

Considering that olives are famous by their longevity, maybe you could add something about the oldest olive in the world. It's about 2500 years old, it's near city of Bar, Serbia and Montenegro (there is a picture). The second oldest olive in the world is on a Christ's grave in Israel. Milant 23:21, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Urgh!

What an appalling piece! This must win a prize for 'most inappropriate and wantonly verbose' prose on Wikipedia...

At what remote period of human progress the wild olive passed under the care of the husbandman and became the fruitful garden olive it is impossible to conjecture.

Terrible English.

That's 1911 for 'ya.--Joel 23:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I tried a re-write on the enjoyably archaic "History of the Olive" section but it is entirely speculative and already covered by the preceeding paras (e.g. geographical origins already indentified in the first para). So I expanded the intial section slightly and removed the "remote period of human progress.." etc. Presuably since 1911 somone has answered a lot of the speculation about origins of olives and history of cultivation. Still needs something about C20 production. frankh 22:59, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV dispute

I'm confused. Given that the article is outdated and terribly written, I can't see from the discussion above that there's a POV dispute; doesn't it just need a copyedit? Djnjwd 21:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I sat and rewrote this article to improve the lousy English, and someone undid all the changes. I am new to Wikipedia and maybe I don't understand what's going on. I feel like I'm wasting my time. --Gilabrand 12:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification request

Information or clarification request

In the sentence

"Occasionally the larger boughs are marched, and young trees thus soon obtained."

What does the term 'marched' mean? Does this imply that the ends of the boughs are tied down into the ground causing them to root and thus "marching" the tree along?

Iscreamkid

[edit] Kalamata

A discussion of the kinds of Olives, and Kalamatian olives aren't even mentioned? :) Nahaj 01:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dwarf cultivars

I've just removed the reference to dwarf cultivars, because there aren't any. "Olive dwarf cultivars" is just a nursery scheme to sell more plants. The trees go in to production early because of the stress of being planted so close together (2 - 3 m), and not for the fact that their dwarf.João Correia 01:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Height Verification

"The Wild Olive is a small, straggly tree or shrub to 8-15 m tall with thorny branches." - Is that supposed to be feet or is the 8-15 m a typo because 15 m is by no means a small tree?

The error is the “small tree” part. Actually the olive tree can grow up to 30 m, if grown in the appropriate conditions without major pruning, so 15 m is actually a conservative statement. João Correia 00:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

So then the mention of it being a shrub perhaps should be taken out as a shrub is usually under 6m, and multiple stems at a low height. Onishenko 05:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Economy

It would be worth adding an economy section with a world production table (see french or german articles for example).--PeaceAnywhere 19:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Suspicious cultivars

I looked up the various cultivars and 'Vacaca' and 'Fecundiat' do not seem be serious entries that I can reference anywhere. Vacaca was added on 3 August 2006 and Fecundiat was added 24 September 2006 Salanth 23:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Removed them - MPF 22:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Conflict of Interest External Link

I didn't review the conflict of interest rules before I posted a link to a series of photographs that comprehensively document the journey of an olive through an olive mill from beginning to end on the "external link" portion. Please consider it. I'm the olive oil expert at Zingerman's Deli and photographed my time at an olive harvest in Paso Robles, CA. http://drygoodsnotes.blogspot.com Solomonj 06:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] this is interesting by T.E.

THIS IS SO MUCH INTERESTING NEWS FOR A 14 YEAR OLD I NEVER NEW THIS STUFF

[edit] GA Review

As with Wheat, you should not have entire uncited sections. Thanks for trying to get a core topic to GA class, by the way.--Rmky87 14:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Its mystical glow illuminated history."

I removed this sentence from the section on Olive oil history. To be honest, I think that whole paragraph needs looking at. Is it a copyvio from somewhere? Skittle 19:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invasive Weed

Could there be a reference to the noxious weed/tree Russian Olive, or is that tree not even related to this article? They're in a different genus, anyway. --Dulcimerist 17:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nutritional Information for Olives

Would it be useful to include the nutritional information for olives? They are a good source of antioxidants, which might be noteworthy. Nutrition Facts for Olives --Dulcimerist 17:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pesticide use

The relative prevalence of pesticide (and other chemical) use in various growing regions should be noted, as should be tests detecting residues of such chemicals. Badagnani 21:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)