Talk:Oleg Blokhin

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Blokhin played for Aris Limassol (Cyprus) not Aris Thessaloniki (Greece)!!!

Contents 1 Top 10 coaches citation 2 Racist comment 3 Birth Location 4 Guys, his Russian ethnicity shoul be noticed

[edit] Top 10 coaches citation

I've added a citation needed tag to the statement about Blokhin's honour as one of the top ten coaches of 2005. If anybody can provide a citation for this, please do so. Thanks, and enjoy. -- Filliam H Muffman 23:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Racist comment

How come the racists comment attributed to Blohkin regarding Black soccer players hasn't been added to his article?

Such bigoted and racist village idiot, the mentally blocked Blokhin, does not normally fit in the beautiful world of football, but in Stalin’s Gulag!

What you have to understand is that in the former Soviet Union political correctness and "enlightened" views of other cultures so prevalent in the West have not taken hold. The view of blacks as savages is very common in the area simply because of deep-set stereotypes and underexposure to African cultures. Thus it would be a lie to call Blokhin a "well-known racist", as he stands out little from the myriad other Ukrainians who share the same notions and that is certainly not one of the primary things he is known for. So if you believe that he needs to be imprisoned, you also believe that the vast majority of people in the region belong in the Gulag. I am removing your section, also for the reason that this has sparked no "controversy" of which I am aware. Cossack 21:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

You're probably right with your comment that Blokhin's remarks weren't very special or controversial in Ukraine, but that doesn't make them any less worse. Besides, it IS something Blokhin has said, so why not mention it in the article, even if there wasn't a big controversy about it? You're right that calling Blokhin a 'well-known racist' is an exaggeration, so I'm not putting that back.Daaf 21:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Absolute rubbish. If the US coach made a racist comment about, say, Mexicans, it would go on his page regardless of how commonplace or accepted racism toward Mexicans was in the US (and believe me, such bigotry isn't rare in the states). Racism is racism, no matter the source. Oleg hasn't apologized for his comments, despite criticism from within and outside Ukraine. Leave the article as it stands.Osx85

Oleg has not apologized for these comments precisely because he sees nothing wrong with what he said. Nor would 95% of Ukrainians. A popular kid cartoon about African cartoon characters is called Chunga-Changa for God's sake. In 17 years of my life in Kyiv I had seen a black person TWICE. This is not an example of hatred speech. it is a result of ignorance. Hell, as I was there I would be making statements like that simply not knowing that they were somehow racist. BTW, the article seems to be dominated by the racist speech, and a bit thin on his achievements. Afterall, he is the best ever player on the territory of the former Soviet Union and one of the best forwards to ever play in Europe. Goliath74 22:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, all I can say is that the section looks good now. What I didn't like about the old one was precisely what Daaf pointed out, that the article exaggerated the significance of Blokhin's comment within Ukraine by calling him a "well-known racist". The comparison of Africans in Ukraine to Mexicans in the USA is pointless for several reasons. First of all, blacks in Eastern Europe are considered exotic and only rarely seen even in big cities (unlike Mexicans in the USA), and there is no large-scale history of racism against them there. Second, Ukraine does not have a culture of political correctness when it comes to other races - it is not even considered in bad taste to make such comments there (unlike, say, derogatory comments about Jews, who have been persecuted in Ukraine for centuries). I understand, though, how this may be difficult to grasp for someone unfamiliar with the culture. Cossack 06:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Deacon of Pndapetzim removed per Wikipedia:Civility#Removing_uncivil_comments this with this comment by PocketMoon 06:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The funniest thing. The dude that complained on it? Havent even signed. That just shows eben he understand all this polit-correctness is idiotic. WIKIPEDIA IS NOT AMERICA, some tend to forget. The idiotic tabu laws of america that you cant even call a nigger nigger (Whats the problem?? Nigger is black in Latin. They are black? Then they are niggers!), so those laws that are valid in America are not valid here. PocketMoon 07:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Pocketmoon, I removed your particularly bad first comment, both for your own sake and for that of others. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

What he said is:

He said what he thinks, and must i say, i agree with him. I hate the polit-correctness in the west, it's so discusting and fake. If someone hates niggers there's no reason he will woould start that bullshit: "their human to!". IT AIN'T EVEN A CONTREVERSY, since in Ukraine no one noticed sonething wrong in that statement. He is right. I also think that every football league should raise it's own players instead of selling niggers to each other. PocketMoon 06:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I return it. What he ment was he's against using not home players. He simply should have written the second thing to explaining why niggers is not a curse. He only says he agrees with him. I dont thing there is anything wrong with that statement. Were getting out of limit here.

[edit] Birth Location

Gonna make the birth location a little more professional and uniform. The Frederick 07:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guys, his Russian ethnicity shoul be noticed

In a few TV programs about him he stated his parents were Russian. Finaly, Blohin is a Russian surename. A Ukrainian surename ends with -ko, -o, -chuk, -uk, and rarely with -ich. And he's Pro-Russian in politics so he isn't even hiding it. After i added that User:Boguslavmandzyuk deleted that without any explanation. After entering his detailes i understood, he's a Ukrainian nationalists (only nationalists in Ukraine still support the Orange Revolution). Nevertheless, i still think that should stay. Ethnicity is an important part of a mans biography. PocketMoon 07:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

We do not anything to an article without a reputable source to prove if, if the topic is contraversial. It may stay if it is sited, but as far as I know, he was born in Ukraine and has Ukrainian citizenship.--Boguslav 01:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

His being born in Ukraine and being a Ukrainian citizen on one hand and his being an ethnic Russian on the other hand is not mutually exclusive. Kiev was a birthplace of many great Russians. His interview is a valid source. Just give the name of the TV program he gave an interview. --Irpen 03:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

OPT. I definitely remember it was that chanel! But i remember that he said his mother was Ukrainian, but father Russian. PocketMoon 11:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I dont have the link to the OPT interview, thought i have seen it, and it really was said there. But here's another link: http://www.terrikon.dn.ua/posts/7212. It's an interview with Blokhin after he signed with FC Moscow. He was asked if he's a Russian or a Ukrainian, and he answered: "Отец у меня москвич, до войны жил здесь, а мать украинка типичная. Я половина на половину. Хотя родился в Киеве, значит, украинец, наверное. Но часть корней у меня из Москвы. Когда был Советский Союз, об этом даже не задумывался." which would be translated as: "My father is a Moscovite, where he lived before the war, while the mother was a typical Ukrainian. Which means i'm half-half. I was born in Kiev, which means, i'm a Ukrainian, probably. But part of my roots are Moscovite. When the Soviet Union existed, i haven't even thought about it." In other words, he never denied that he's ethnicaly mixed, Russian and Ukrainian. I havent found th OPT interview you talked about, but i have seen it and it was stated there to. Anyway, this link is exelent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.156.111 (talk) 20:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)