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[edit] SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure how to add the header that says 'The following passage contains spoilers', but the part that explains what happens at the end of each series is a HUGE spoiler. If someone knows how to add it there, please do so! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.85.29 (talk) 20:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Archive
[edit] Merge
I have merged Doremi and Magical DoReMi into this page. - Squilibob 02:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- Excellent work! ^^ I just saw it, and I must say it's much, much better this way. I would've waited until we'd have had more feedback, but since no one seems to be responding, then I guess it's alright. Lets see how this new change goes, no? Amina 03:22, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- This is a great article, having two is far too confusing and I like that this article focuses more on the original version but still gives the 4 Kids version a fair and unbiased mention. In my opinion this exactly the approach we should take with this sort of anime & manga article. As a Amina said, great work! GracieLizzie 09:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- The merge is a great idea, I was just wondering, and maybe I missed it, but since the merge is it saying when it is airing, Magical DoReMi is airing on 4KidsTV or is that different depending on where you are? Sorry not sure how they do it but I have noticed on other pages they note the times the anime is airing either in Japan or in whatever country it is airing. Ryokosha 06:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- This is a great article, having two is far too confusing and I like that this article focuses more on the original version but still gives the 4 Kids version a fair and unbiased mention. In my opinion this exactly the approach we should take with this sort of anime & manga article. As a Amina said, great work! GracieLizzie 09:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Airing times sould be when it was air first, not when it was first aired in the USA, Canada, Japan, India, etc ...
Drakron 20:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] UnMerge
Well after much thought, I have decided to split this article up for a couple of reasons. Firstly I'd like to expand the characters a bit and so I have moved that information to its own page. I'm going to add images for each character, much like any other anime character pages. While doing this I have decided to also spilt each show into their own pages so that I can use Template:Infobox Animanga. Hopefully I can add images to each of those infoboxes too. - Squilibob 08:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Um... ok. I guess that's alright, but I think we should still keep some character information on this page (as in a general introduction to the character) and then get into more detail on the character pages, as well as for each season. Well... I can't help but think it's just sort of more confusing now. I don't mind the changes - not at all - but it would've been nice if you could have discussed it with the rest of the people working on this page before actually changing it. Amina 22:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Well wikipedia is all about being bold and this has been done on dozens of other anime articles so I just went ahead and did it. You can add a synopsis for the characters or revert some of the changes to make the article more accessible as you have suggested. Nothing gets done by sitting around and discussing what should be done unless the changes will cause great contriversy, that's what Be Bold is all about. - Squilibob 05:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- It's alright. We'll just stick to your idea then. I really don't mind this change at all - in fact, I quite like it - I was just thinking that despite it had already been done in other anime articles you could've just given a heads-up beforehand. I've seen the characters page, and I think it would be a bit pointless for me to add any general introductions to characters, so lets just leave it as it is for now. Amina 07:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Well wikipedia is all about being bold and this has been done on dozens of other anime articles so I just went ahead and did it. You can add a synopsis for the characters or revert some of the changes to make the article more accessible as you have suggested. Nothing gets done by sitting around and discussing what should be done unless the changes will cause great contriversy, that's what Be Bold is all about. - Squilibob 05:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Show Times
(Continued from last comment in 'Merge') Yes, Magical DoReMi's times depend on which coast of the United States you're living in. It also airs in Canada, but that's about it. Do you think it would be a good idea to put the times on the page for each time zone? Amina 07:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think it would, because it would allow people in those time zones to know when it is on and perhaps see it for themselves, it is also factual information that I think would fit nicely somewhere on the page. Ryokosha 16:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with you. ^^ Should we add some sort of table in the Magical DoReMi section of the page, maybe toward the end or to the side? Amina 16:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Under the English adaption section would be a good place, just after this sentence: In North America, 4Kids Entertainment has licensed the original show under the title Magical DoReMi, currently airing on 4Kids TV since September 10, 2005. Other licensed titles that do not have confirmed english names are Ojamajo Doremi ♯, Mōtto! Ojamajo Doremi and Ojamajo Doremi Dokkān.. I don't have a source for all the dates though. The sentences at the start of the article with all the stations could be moved to the same spot - Squilibob 23:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't have all the dates either... on the 4Kids site it says that it's at 8:00 a.m., and then another at 8:30 a.m. The problem is I'm not sure which time zone it's for... do you think it might be Atlantic Time, since 4Kids is headquartered in New York? Amina 00:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- I can only speak for the Eastern Time Zone, but it is on then at 8:00 am and then again at 8:30 am. It is possible that it is on at 8:00 am in every time zone. Ryokosha 21:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- True, but I think it's unlikely. Don't they have to air it all at the same time? I wonder if we could find a website with the calculations... Amina 22:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Well I found this site 4kids.tv previews which allows you to check the different times and they do differ slightly it seems, but I am not sure if it is so much by time zone as it is by station, which makes it harder to say when it is on, unless we give a time range since I think they are all sometime between 7:00 am and 9:00 am start times.Ryokosha 23:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think the time range is the best idea until we figure out the actual times. Lets go ahead and add it, then. ^^ Amina 01:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- I would even go so far as to say that with the exception of Texas which only seems to have a 7:00 am statewide start time, most of the other states in any of the time zones favor the 8:00 am start time. There is one, and only one place that as a 5:00 am start, but so far I've only seen one place with that, the rest do fall in that time range. Ryokosha 01:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- I seperated this discussion from 'Merge'. Hope you're ok with it. ^^; Anyway, wow, 5:00 a.m... I don't see how they're going to get many viewings at that hour. But anyway, I think you're right. We should put the start time, and then maybe say that Texas and any other states that don't begin at 8:00 a.m. are a liability, and maybe put their times. How does that sound? Amina 02:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Not a problem. That sounds good to me and I've been trying to see the various times, but for now just have that general range and the entire state of Texas being at 7:00 am. Yeah, 5:00 am is strange and is just one city I think in Tennessee. Ryokosha 02:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- I seperated this discussion from 'Merge'. Hope you're ok with it. ^^; Anyway, wow, 5:00 a.m... I don't see how they're going to get many viewings at that hour. But anyway, I think you're right. We should put the start time, and then maybe say that Texas and any other states that don't begin at 8:00 a.m. are a liability, and maybe put their times. How does that sound? Amina 02:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- I would even go so far as to say that with the exception of Texas which only seems to have a 7:00 am statewide start time, most of the other states in any of the time zones favor the 8:00 am start time. There is one, and only one place that as a 5:00 am start, but so far I've only seen one place with that, the rest do fall in that time range. Ryokosha 01:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think the time range is the best idea until we figure out the actual times. Lets go ahead and add it, then. ^^ Amina 01:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Well I found this site 4kids.tv previews which allows you to check the different times and they do differ slightly it seems, but I am not sure if it is so much by time zone as it is by station, which makes it harder to say when it is on, unless we give a time range since I think they are all sometime between 7:00 am and 9:00 am start times.Ryokosha 23:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- True, but I think it's unlikely. Don't they have to air it all at the same time? I wonder if we could find a website with the calculations... Amina 22:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- I can only speak for the Eastern Time Zone, but it is on then at 8:00 am and then again at 8:30 am. It is possible that it is on at 8:00 am in every time zone. Ryokosha 21:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't have all the dates either... on the 4Kids site it says that it's at 8:00 a.m., and then another at 8:30 a.m. The problem is I'm not sure which time zone it's for... do you think it might be Atlantic Time, since 4Kids is headquartered in New York? Amina 00:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Under the English adaption section would be a good place, just after this sentence: In North America, 4Kids Entertainment has licensed the original show under the title Magical DoReMi, currently airing on 4Kids TV since September 10, 2005. Other licensed titles that do not have confirmed english names are Ojamajo Doremi ♯, Mōtto! Ojamajo Doremi and Ojamajo Doremi Dokkān.. I don't have a source for all the dates though. The sentences at the start of the article with all the stations could be moved to the same spot - Squilibob 23:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with you. ^^ Should we add some sort of table in the Magical DoReMi section of the page, maybe toward the end or to the side? Amina 16:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Onpu's Dub Name
Onpu's dub name has been discovered! It was on one of the merchandising sites: http://www.toywiz.com/magicaldoremi.html. I've already added it, and I put a footnote as well. Amina 02:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reverting Edits?
I keep seeing people reverting the edits in the Story section to unbolded titles. It was originally bolded, so I'm just wondering why the edits keep getting reverted. Perhaps we could reach a consensus of some sort? Amina 18:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The page title
The google hits for "Magical DoReMi" (4Kids' title) and "Ojamajo Doremi" are now just about equal.
I'm afraid that this page may get moved very, very soon. See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=%22Magical+DoReMi%22+-wikipedia&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en
and
The latter has 1,800 more, BUT keep in mind that prolly won't last long.
WhisperToMe 04:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Hullo Whisper. Long time no see, eh? ^^ Anyway, to the point... what is it? What do you mean moving? We've already decided upon this page, and it shan't be moved to yet another one - it's been moved too much already, and this was established as its home with no further moves at the beginning of the month, backed up by four people. Isn't there someway we could make both Ojamajo Doremi's hits and Magical DoReMi's hits go to this page? (As in, when searching for 'Magical DoReMi', this article would pop up.) Amina 23:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, the thing is that Wikipedia's language conventions (Wikipedia:Naming_conventions) say to choose the title that best represents what English speakers know. Only you three thought of the title. See, there is a process to page moving. There is a request for page moving somewhere on here. Also, there are suffrage limits according to numbers of edits made. WhisperToMe 01:04, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
EDIT: WP:RM#Current_discussions WhisperToMe 01:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't quite understand... despite there were only four (not three) of us that decided upon this, no one bothered to debate against it or suggest something otherwise. And the only request to move the page is your own. Really, why can't we just leave it like this? You have a point with the English version becoming increasingly popular on the internet, but if we follow that line of thought, why not add the Italian version? Or the Chinese? Or the French? These are all equally popular, so why not umbrella them under the original Japanese version they're all based off of? I don't see how it hurts Wikipedia - in fact, I'd like to argue that it helps by informing the public of something it doesn't even know about. Furthermore, I'd say Wiki's Anime Project would rule over Naming Conventions, since it specialises to this article - it simply states original version names should be used and such - but we've already talked about that before. Besides, I just checked - Magical DoReMi redierects to Ojamajo Doremi, so I sincerely don't see what the problem is. Amina 01:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I wasn't aware of the debate at the time. I can have my attention focused on something else and then.
Well, most English-language speakers will expect to find it at Magical DoReMi AND all English-language versions (as well as other versions in Europe) use that title. It will get to the point where the fans of the original show will be in the complete minority.
In addition, this is Toei Animation's title. 4Kids did not make it up. Even Toei calls the series "Magical Doremi" on its website (albiet not with the capitalization).
"You have a point with the English version becoming increasingly popular on the internet, but if we follow that line of thought, why not add the Italian version? Or the Chinese? Or the French?"
Huh?
This is the ENGLISH Wikipedia. Chinese, Italian, and French people have their own Wikipedias. They use their own conventions (e.g. Italians use theirs, Chinese use theirs, etc).
The Italians and French ALSO use "Magical Doremi". WhisperToMe 03:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- What I mean is that if we use the English and Japanese versions, why not put in information about the rest of the world's dubs? (Like, 'Ojamajo Doremi in China' or 'Ojamajo Doremi in Italy'.) That's all I was saying. I also know perfectly well that Toei Animation created the title 'Magical Doremi', and if the majority says I have no problem changing it as long as none of the content inside of this article is altered in any way. As in, no changing of original names to dub names when telling of the character (though beside their name header you can put the dub name), no use of dub titles and place names except when explaining the dub names for these, etc, etc. Anyway, I think we should wait for some more feedback from people before we make any decisions. Is that alright? Amina 23:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Poppu's Japanese voice actress
The current notes on Sawa Ishige were reading like she only voiced Poppu in one episode, which is incorrect. She has voiced Poppu throughout all of the series, OVA's, and movies. The other voice actress mentioned, Yuka Shino, was the one who only voiced her in one episode, and according to this source, it was episode 27 in the first series. --EmperorBrandon 02:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Uncaptioned last picture
The last picture seems a bit fanish and not as professional looking as the rest of the page. If its significant it should have a caption. If not I would say ditch it. 69.121.109.152 22:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] name callings
it's either trobble-some witch doremi, maho doremi, magical doremi,forte ojamajo doremi, ma magie ojamajo doremi or bothersome witch doremi, which one is the serie's official name?
Sir aaron sama girl 23:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- The licensed first series of Ojamajo Doremi is officially called Magical DoReMi. It is currently no longer airing. All other seasons have not been translated into English. --Squilibob 00:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Jeffery Mewtamer (talk) 04:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC) As previously stated, Magical DoReMi is the official title of the English Dub. Magical Doremi(note the difference in the capitalization) is the English version of the Official International Title put forth by Toei Animation. Ojamajo is a Portmanteau of the Japanese words Ojama(bother) and Majo(witch), so Bothersome Witch Doremi is the best attempt at a literal translation of the Japanese title. Jeffery Mewtamer (talk) 04:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The page title again
I have noticed the article title Suzumiya Haruhi (series) has been changed as per Manual of Style. If no one objects, I will rename this article similarly. --Squilibob 13:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. --DarkAdonis255 13:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
it's o longer airing? awww...*cries* i loved that series!
[edit] Proposed massive overhaul to the Ojamajo Doremi/Magical Doremi articles
Okay, here's the scoop. I'm not very satisfied with how the current Ojamajo Doremi articles are written. This includes Ojamajo Doremi, Magical Doremi, and all of the articles for each season, etc.
My plan is to do an overhaul of the various articles pertaining to this series. I and a few of my friends are very knowledgable about this show, and these articles need to be redone. Here is what I have in mind:
1) Merge each of the seasons (Season one, Sharp, Motto, Dokkan, and Naisho) into one article. Each season has a similar overall plot, with differences only being in the finer details. These details can be included in the main article where each season would have its own section.
2) Base names, places, magical items, etc off of the Japanese names and use other Japanese conventions regarding the show. The article would be Ojamajo Doremi (Not Magical Doremi, although Magical Doremi could redirect to it).
3) Use standard MoS of course with Plot, Characters, Production, etc sections. Also include a short section that lists the various dubs of the show, the name and language of the dub, and who dubbed it. For Characters, there could also be a link that covers the large cast of characters in more detail, and also include English dub names for the characters on said list.
4) As mentioned at the end of 3), make a seperate article containing a list of characters from the show.
5) Make an article containing a list of episodes, sorted by season.
Information on here is subject to change of course. Keep in mind, I am not very familiar with Wikipedia's standards for editing articles like this, I am only doing this to help improve the Ojamajo Doremi articles, and I want a general consensus on if this is a good idea or not. This post will be posted in both the Ojamajo Doremi article and the Magical Doremi article. Thank you. PsychicKid1 (talk) 18:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- I agree, the way these articles look now make me cry. Something has to be done. AO968 (talk) 19:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Huh???
Who added the video game section. THERE ARE NO OJAMAJO DOREMI VGS!! I think there's only this on Playstaion one, but that's it. And OD did'nt exist when SNES did!! Anime27life is full of wonders (talk) 01:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I also think that their are serious errors with the Video Game section. SNES and PC Engine both precede Ojamajo Doremi by several years, and any doubt Ban Dai would have produced OD games for GBC considering that WonderSwan was alive and well at the time. I have corrected the Playstation section to reflect the four games that I can confirm the existence of(mainly due to owning legit copies of all four). I call hoax or hack on everything else listed for Video Games. Jeffery Mewtamer (talk) 04:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
