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[edit] Why was this article deleted?

What the hell happened to this article? Why was it deleted? How can it be restored? Spylab 12:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Very simple. Look at this. Someone vandalized the article. Someone came by, saw it and put the speedy deletion tag on. As you can see by the deletion log, the admin who deleted it saw his error and undeleted the page. Daniel.Bryant then restored all of the revisions. So. Just an honest mistake. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 13:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I think there was a section referring to European OI bands in one of the past revisions, but Im not sure (I think the Analogs were mentioned in the article) - and I have no idea how to make a revert 194.145.96.51 (talk) 04:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Where does the word "Oi" come from?

There needs to be an explanation of this. --Liface 21:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

  • The term Oi! is a Cockney expression simply meaning hey! or hello! I suppose I could put that sentence in the article, but I don't have a source handy to back it up. Spylab 17:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


How come no one accept this person is refering to Oi! as a very common method of saying hello im many heritages? please sombody find some info on this and i might actuall come back to this site... -unsigned

[edit] Facts about Combat 84

This is directed to the anonymous editor who made incorrect statements about Combat 84 in edit notes. They were an Oi! band, not a Rock Against Communism band. RAC was a separate scene that specifically stood for white power, not just anti-communism. The only member of Combat 84 who was involved with the far right was the singer, Chubby Chris. The other members were not into racist politics, and none of the band's lyrics were racist.Spylab 17:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, they used to be an Oi! band, before they became a RAC band. If you want racist lyrics listen to the songs "Right to Choose", "Rapist", and "Better Dead than Red". In many RAC mp3 sites (such as SolarGeneralMusic) you can find Combat 84 songs. 85.75.176.101 15:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

  • You just keep showing you don't know what you're talking about. They never became a Rock Against Communism band. RAC was a specific movement assocated with white power groups. Combat 84 were never part of that. I don't think they ever did a song called "Better Dead than Red." That is a lyric from the song "Right to Choose." And again, none of those songs have any racist lyrics. This is the problem with the Internet generation, who get their music education from mislabelled mp3 files and lyrics sites with incorrect words. Just because RAC fans like a band doesn't mean the band is RAC. Next you'll be telling me Skrewdriver did the soundtrack to Romper Stomper. (And how about signing up for a Wikipedia account?) Spylab 17:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I know what Rock Against Communism is. Combat 84 was RAC. They played most of their concerts together with other RAC bands, such as The Elite and London Branch. "Next you'll be telling me Skrewdriver did the soundtrack to Romper Stomper." What are you talking about???? "I don't think they ever did a song called "Better Dead than Red." That is a lyric from the song "Right to Choose."" It is a lyric from "Right to Choose", but it's also a song. There is also a song by C84 called "Politically Incorrect". Chubby Chris was in Chealsea Headhunters and they worked with Rock-Ο-Rama records. 87.203.179.138 21:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Combat 84 was not RAC. What album was the song "Better Dead than Red" on? It's not on Orders of the Day, Death or Glory, Charge of the 7th Calvary, or even Tooled Up (by the post-Chubby Chris lineup). Do you have some bootleg record, or are you basing your assertion on some mislabeled mp3 you downloaded from the Internet? A google search of the terms "combat 84" "Better Dead than red" shows no song with the title "Better Dead than Red" by Combat 84. What's your source that they played most of their concerts with RAC bands? A google search of the terms "combat 84" "London Branch" "the elite" only brings up two Greek language sites, and nothing I've read in print (or seen in the BBC documentary featuring Combat 84) shows they were an RAC band. What's your point about the song "Politically Incorrect"? There are no racist lyrics in that song. Also, in case you don't know, that song was done by a new lineup without Chubby Chris (who now lives in Thailand and has kids with a Thai woman). I already know that Chubby Chris was involved with Chelsea Headhunters and that one Combat 84 album was re-released by Rock-O-Rama Records (I think after Combat 84 broke up, but I could be wrong about that). That still doesn't prove that Combat 84 was an RAC band. Not every band released by Rock-O-Rama was racist and far right. Here is part of an interview with the newest lineup of Combat 84:

Are you having any problems with being labelled as RAC? Jim: We have never labelled ourselves as anything, we are not part of any movement, especially political ones, and we never were, people try to associate us with this and that, but we are just a band, who write about their lives and what they see around them, nothing more.

Any opinions about RAC? Deptford: We believe in free speech, you don't have it in England anymore, but people should be allowed to say what they want, we don't support any movement as Jim said, but RAC should be given an equal platform as anything else.[1]

It is clear that Combat 84 is not RAC. Spylab 01:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Possibly there is a confusion with Condemned 84, however both of them have been repeatedly accused of, and allegedly linked to, RAC leanings. I'd also point out that there is likely as big a difference between someone who is directly affiliated with the RAC movement and someone who is a self proclaimed RAC sympathizer as there was between someone who was actually a member of SHARP as an organization and someone who just slaps a SHARP logo patch on their flight jacket and declares themselves "a SHARP Skinhead."

[edit] It has been suggested that this article or section NOT be merged with Streetpunk

I disagree with this choice/suggestion. I think Streetpunk is more modern, more oriented around being poor and things that come of such (dumpster diving, squatting, etc.) and less oriented around skinhead fashion. The term Oi! has more of an old school feeling to it. I say that the notice should be taken down.

I agree with the anonymous user above. Oi seems to be an entirely different genre. Related, but different. Some brash punk expert could do it but I don't feel particularly expert on this subject. User:Pedant 08:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

They are not the same thing at all. Somebody really fucked up the streetpunk article. While they are related as all forms of punk are they are different and it needs to be reflected on wikipedia. While I don't necessarily agree that street punk is more about dumpster diving, etc., it can be which isn't any working class oi! thing. This sucks because one guy probably put up both of those articles to reflect his personal views on the two genres ignoring all logic and fact.-unsigned

I disagree with this choice. The two are completely different. OI! is the earliest version stemming from 1958-1965; Ex. Teds, Mods who followed groups like Slade and The Who were the founders if not origination of the style. The term Streetpunk was coined by producer Marty Munsch,(SPIN Magazine 1985) in the mid 1980's, due to its close knit sound but almost identical new sound and production style that was emulated and almost identical.

  • Another difference is that the older bands were known, very well for literally drawing, committing as well as procuring violence during their performances. The bands following also displayed loose-knit levels of street gang mind set. Streetpunk on the other hand is the newest incarnation of punk, that was a carbon copy and identical talk the talk but not walk the walk. The one point being is that street punk has NO close knit gang type mentality Ex. severe violence, beatings, murders also completely dissassociated with the NEW style of punk. Most of these newer generation enthusiasts are more of the drunk, hippy style peace punk or almost poser mentality. See U.S. Chaos and New Jersey or New York City [Hardcore Punk] followings in the 1980's and photos from CBGB's matenee shows for the deffinition of violence.


  • Before Oi! was called Oi!, it was known as streetpunk and reality punk. Since the beginning of Oi!, many bands have been described as both streetpunk and Oi!. The rewriting of the definition of the term streetpunk as a totally different genre from Oi! is a recent American invention. Spylab 00:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

If it is merged, it should definitely go under the name Streetpunk. Randomfrenchie 03:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it should not be merged, although we could have been labeled as street punks the fact is that Oi! is what we call it, what we called it, and although it has influenced modern streetpunk it is like saying that we should merge rock n roll with the blues since there are a lot of similarities and blues is its ancestor.

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I agree it should not be merged with street punk. Street punk and Oi! are no longer a consolidated genre if they ever were. The Oi!/skinhead style embodied by bands like The Bruisers and Angelic Upstarts is clearly completely separate from the street punk style of bands like The Casualties and Cheap Sex. Even more accessible forms of street punk like Rancid or Far From Finished are nowhere near Oi!. For a visual example, which does figure in to music like this, see these two compilation album covers: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1196/oi2large.gif and http://www.interpunk.com/itemimages2/21722.jpg.

If people do not want it merged then the phrase "Originally the style was called streetpunk or reality punk" needs to be removed from the article. If they are different the article really cannot state that they are the same. Makes no sense. -R. fiend 21:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I removed the merge tags because it seems there is a strong consensus against the merge. At the very least, no strong consensus in favour of the merge has built up in the three or four months since the merge proposal was posted. However, I expanded the sentence about alternate names and added references. It is true that Oi! has been called streetpunk and other names by various people at various times. I only posted references that were general articles, but if you use a search engine, you will find many band interviews and CD reviews that use the alternate names when describing music that also falls under the Oi! category. Now that the merge tags have been removed, what needs to be done is that the streetpunk article has to be greatly improved and filled with references, since at this point it is basicly a rewrite of the Oi! article with a few variations. Spylab 23:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] "Official" scene?

This sentence:

"The first incarnation of Skrewdriver, which began in 1976, is often described as Oi!, although the band never participated in the official Oi! scene."

is rather humourous. What could possible be considered an "official" scene? Who decides what is official and what isn't? I just removed the word "official" because it didn't really add anything, but someone else who knows more about the genre might be able to rewrite it.Skalchemist 20:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For liface

There is evidence to back up the other dudes statement about Oi! being a cockney expression . Search list of words commonly used in england , and that word will appear under O . As well as other cockney expressions featured in O! songs such as Argy Bargy ( You know the cock sparrer song ) That infact is a British term meaning sort of in a way " playfull fighting " Or fighting in the intention of not really hurting the person . --ryusho2 18:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)