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[edit] Reffing Called into Question

The BCS national championship was home to a victorious Gators team, but also several missed calls. I have snapshots of several of these. Where would be a good place to put them?

The article cries out for decent pictures. One would be very nice in the summary so that it is below the info box. Another would be well-placed near the end of the 1979-present segment of the history, and a third or alternate location would be in the empty spot under Player roster, depth chart and schedule, which is empty. I would ask that the captions not stress reffing controversy to avoid POV, but emphasize the Buckeye player shown. Similarly, check for similar locations in the related 2006 Ohio State Buckeyes football team. Thanx.--Buckboard 05:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BCS Record

I changed tOSU's BCS bowl record from 3-0 to 4-0.

01-01-1999, Sugar Bowl: Ohio State 24, Texas A&M 14
01-03-2003, Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State 31, Miami (FL) 24 (2 OT)
01-02-2004, Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State 35, Kansas State 28
01-02-2006, Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State 34, Notre Dame (IN) 20

[edit] Academic Award Winners

I feel that it would be a nice addition to include a section highlighting players who have won major, national academic awards: i.e. Academic All-American, National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame Scholarship Winners and Mike Lanese for winning a Rhodes Scholarship

[1] --Sam Harmon 17:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Rkevins82 00:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Buckboard 11:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rivals

Are the Illinois Fighting Illini really considered rivals? I am not sure of the historical significance, but I haven't seen a heated Ohio State vs. Illinois game in 15 years. Yinfeng.shao 12:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

This is referring to the small information box at the top of the page, not the Rivalries section. Yinfeng.shao 12:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Even if it isn't very competitive, it's still one of the traditional rivalries in the Big Ten. Xombie 15:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I would say Penn State is more of a rival these days. Might want to add that, or change Illinois to PSU. Ladanday 06:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The Illinois/Ohio State rivalry has historical importance, but I fear it is no longer very relevant. When Penn State was added to the conference, every team was given two designated rivals. Designated rivals were teams to be played every year, with other conference teams occasionally rotated out of the schedule. Due to geography, and the request of Joe Paterno, Penn State was named one of Ohio State's designated rivals. The effect of this decision was that Illinois and Ohio State fell off each other's schedules in 2003 and 2004, ending the longest-standing continuous annual rivalry for either team, going back to 1914. ChicJanowicz 14:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Even if it isn't much of a rivalry these days, they do still play for Illibuck, I think you have to consider it a rivalry. I know that isn't much of a philosaphy, but I see any teams that play for a trophy like that as rivals.

I would prefer to see Illinois listed as the rival. Rkevins82 22:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not consider Penn State a rival. If we asked 100 people to name a rival, 100 would say "Michigan." That says it all. Showing only one rival on this page would make a statement, The Statement.

Well, if I was one of those 100 people, then count one vote for Penn State. As a school, they haven't been in the conference for that long (about 13 years if I remember correctly & we won the first official conference meeting...) BUT -- this is a big but -- Pennsylvania has always been our neighbor to the east, and Penn State has been leeching talent from the State of Ohio for years. That, along with the fact that OH and PA are two of the nation's biggest football states, and that football between the two states at every other level has enjoyed a significant rivalry (see Steelers vs. Browns in the NFL and the Big 33 Game at the high school level), well, then PSU is a natural fit -- especially when it comes to their preconceived notion of dominating the Big Ten without a thought to OSU and UM. Ryecatcher773 01:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Isn't there room for all three as rivals. While nobody is questioning the significance of the Michigan game, Illinois and Penn State do rate. Penn State plays OSU every year under the new format, one of only two teams that does so. As an alumni, I know how important the Illibuck is to the junior class--the honorary society meets with Illinois juniors at halftime of the game to present the trophy--which I believe is the only trophy game on OSU's schedule.

[edit] Lists and tables

I will be taking the long lists, including coaching staff, MVPs, all-Americans, and making them tables for easier reading.--Buckboard 11:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please clarify!

In the following paragraph: "Over the next 6 seasons Ohio State finished no higher than 2nd, and had a losing season in 1966, although it did beat Michigan four times. When it lost three of its first five games in 1967 (all at home), public speculation that Hayes would be replaced as coach grew to its highest point since 1953. Jack Park, author of the program's official history, states that decision to turn down the Rose Bowl had "strongly impaired...OCU's recruiting within its own state"

Can any please clarify what "OCU" stands for?--140.254.115.72 04:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)]

Typo--"OSU"--changed and clarified--Buckboard 06:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2002 National Championship

We desperately need a write-up of the championship season, especially the BCS Championship game against Miami. That game in particular has been described by Sports Illustrated and ESPN as one of the best college football games ever! Can we please get something written and approved?

Before the year is out I will finish the history section if I have to do it myself. I had hoped by doing the older history that others might pick up the ball and run with it (no pun intended) but that has not been forthcoming. As pointed out below, this is very very long and needs many subjects farmed out to main articles, starting with the history. But I'd like to finish it before we do that. This has been a labor of love but the emphasis has become labor.--Buckboard 03:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

See 2002 Ohio State Buckeyes football team and 2003 Fiesta Bowl, app. someone was listening, and contribute.--Buckboard 12:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review script recomendations

This article is long and detailed and I thought it might be worth trying to improve the overall quality for GA or FA status. I ran AndyZ's peer review script and here are the results:

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As the initiator of this article I appreciate the advice. My biggest suggestion would be my original one: ~~complete the history, make it a main article elsewhere, and use a brief summary of it here~~. that alone would reduce the size considerably. Make tables of some of the ponderous lists, esp. bowl games, where more data could be incorporated. Take others and make them main articles also. I did not start this with any thought of GA or FA, but I welcome any and all suggestions to improving it.--Buckboard 03:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation requests

If someone requests a source documentation for other than factual claims, please also come here and submit for discussion. I am all for "encyclopedic tone" but I am against dull, pedestrian prose.--Buckboard 08:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

In the section that say Woody Hayes beat out Paul Brown for head coach-- what is the source? Paul Brown was just taking the Browns into the NFL- why would he want to return to Ohio State? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.114.85 (talk) 01:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Jack Park, The Official Ohio State Football Encyclopedia (officially endorsed and licensed by tOSU), page 275: "Athletic Director Dick Larkins coordinated a six-man search committee that selected and interviewed seven finalists for the position: Paul Brown, head coach and general manager of the Cleveland Browns...Brown had just finished his fifth highly successful seson as head coach of the Browns, the team he created in 1946 following World War II. Many fans wondered why he would be interested in returning to the college game. In his book, PB: The Paul Brown Story, Brown described his first two years at Ohio State as the happiest, most exciting, and rewarding period of his life. ... He met with the Ohio State selection committee on Saturday, January 27, 1951." --Buckboard 15:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckboard (talk • contribs)

[edit] John Segrist/Sigrist

Let's not get into a fight over the spelling of this player's name. Even in school records it is inconsistent. It was inconsistent in contemporary news reports of his injury and death. It is inconsistent in the list of letterwinners between him and his brothers. The truth is that no one knows for sure the best way to spell his name. We should just choose one spelling and stick with it.--ChicJanowicz 13:50, 29 February 2007 (UTC)

I did not realize there was disagreement. I certainly did not want to start a fight. I was just reading an article in the Chicago Tribune about him and saw the different spelling. Rkevins82 15:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2007 Heisman trophy question

Hello, I found this article because I was following the contribs of User:24.106.234.138, who had added "Stevie Christman 2007" to the list of Heisman trophy winners. I don't follow American football, but I was under the impression that the different teams are still playing, so that any trophies wouldn't yet be given. Therefore I reverted the edit. If I was in error, feel free to restore the info. Thank you. --Kyoko 15:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

It apparently was re-added by User:24.106.234.138. Sounds like we have a rampant editor on our hands. Reverted. Morte42 (talk) 16:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Floating Picture

What is the picture doing underneath the references section? I tried to edit it out but its not there when you go to edit it.-Sportman2 (talk) 00:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Got it. Was in the middle of a reference for some reason... --ElKevbo (talk) 01:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)