Talk:OH-23 Raven

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was the article was not moved. However, the article was moved in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming conventions (aircraft). --Born2flie 02:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move article

The Hiller model 360 was previously, and is currently produced as the UH-12. It has more of a presence commercially even though it is more popularly known as a military aircraft in aviation circles. I recommend that the article be renamed to one of two options:

Hiller UH-12
Hiller UH-12/OH-23

The former makes the most sense with "Hiller H-23" and "Hiller OH-23", etc. redirecting to the new name. (Born2flie 19:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC))

I'd support Hiller UH-12/H-23. As you stated, it is "more popularly known as a military aircraft in aviation circles", so it makes sense to me to include the military name, in addition to the civil name. - BillCJ 02:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Pic position

I had tried that pic below the History header yesterday. However, it left a wide gap between the TOC and the header in my browser (IE7), so I put it above the Intro, and it looked right. - BillCJ 02:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just checked the current configuration of the article in IE7 on mine and it looks the same as in Firefox. Does it still have a gap on yours?

--Born2flie 15:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yup. I view on 800x600, that might make a difference. Does placing the pic above the Intro in the make a difference in your viewing of it? - BillCJ 16:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

At 1024x768 when you have both the infobox and the pic at the beginning of the page, the links to edit the lower sections get displaced to much lower in the page. I figured the functionality of the edit links was more important than exactly where the pic placement occurs. I'll have to verify that the same thing occurs in IE7 with your pic location.

--Born2flie 17:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems to be a Firefox phenomenon, possibly Mozilla-wide?

--Born2flie 17:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree the links are more important than the gap, so whatever you need to do to get it to work right for the Firefox/Mozillas is fine with me, assuming eveerything is viewable in IE7 also. - BillCJ 18:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I put it back into the history section.

--Born2flie 21:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bell or Hiller

quote: all later models featured the "Goldfish bowl" canopy similar to the Bell 47, and also featured the Bell-designed short weighted gyro-stabilizer bar. :

Not true.

The "bowl" is visually similar, yes. The UH-23 never employed Bell design for it's rotor system. Stanley Hiller invented the Rotormatic system, with paddles. This system is very much alive today, Radio Control helicopters use this system almost exclusively.

Pulse Helicopters and Dynamic Aviation are a couple of web sources for images and/or info.

69.29.248.91 17:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I have tagged the offending statement for verification. If I can't find a verified source for it, I will remove it myself.

--Born2flie 22:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)