Talk:Ogaden
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[edit] Ahmad Gragn
The article about Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi (Ahmad Gragn or Ahmad Gurey) says he was from Zeila and does not mention Ogaden at all. (Also, the Akisho, Gadabuursi, and Leelkase articles each claim he was from those respective Somali clans). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ogaden?
Why is "Ogaden" spelled "Ogadēn" in this article? There has been no discussion on this talk page about this style? Is there a good reason to replace the more common English form with this variant that apparently reflects local pronounciation? -- llywrch 04:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Don't know. Sesel changed it back in May without an edit summary. - BanyanTree 13:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I was wondering about this too, because I've seen a number of maps where the name is spelled "Ogadēn". This one is from the World Factbook and uses the "ē" spelling (though it is hard to discern). I have another map at home with this spelling. If this is the correct spelling then perhaps a page move is warranted (easy enough to do, but thought I'd bring it up first). Also I'm not sure if the same spelling issue applies to Ogaden people. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm admit to a bias of avoiding accents, diacritics & other fancy add-ons to letters in names, unless this usage can be shown to be fairly common. This is because I've struggled thru more than my share of scholarly works pedantic correctness has unnecessarily kept me from recognizing the familiar names of people & places. Would anyone take issue if we just moved this back to "Ogaden" & added a note in the introduction about its proper pronounciation? -- llywrch 21:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Okay, I've gone ahead & changed it -- & I'm guessing at the pronounciation, so if someone knows it better please fix. I also changed the spelling of some of the towns listed in the article to agree with other links. -- llywrch 17:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] History before Europeans
Would somebody like to fill in what the history of the region was before the British Colonial office starting writing its version? I apologize for my assumption that it was either part of the ottoman or egyptian empire and that these empires probably collected tribute as the extent of their control. Glad I was corrected but would like to see more.
- Walashma dynasty?
- Adal sultanates ?
I am obviously clueless. --Rcollman 00:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Other clans
I am on my third revert in 24 hours regarding the following sentence: "The fact that some Somalis call the entire Somali region of Ethiopia 'Ogadenia' is a cause of much friction in the region, because other clans have a significant presence in the area." The sentence previously listed the names of other clans in the area, but the cited source did not actually mention these clans by name (link). Thus I removed the names of the clans, having seen previous edit wars over which clan resides in a particular place. Anonymous editors (different IP addresses, but same ISP) keep restoring the clan names (and as the IP keeps changing, I'm not sure the editor is seeing my "User Talk" messages, or whether it's the same editor). As I am already on my third revert, I will not remove the unattributed information should it reappear. Instead I propose adding {{Failed verification}} to the sentence. Furthermore the source in question is an opinion piece, perhaps not the best choice of reliable source in the first place. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
- On second thought, I'm not too worried about three reverts, given that I'm removing unattributed information (still, I'd rather avoid an edit war). I have added another source (link) but it doesn't specify the other clans, either. Also this article did not mention that there is a clan called Ogaden, so the sentence in question was lacking context. I have addressed this, as well. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] February 2008 edits
An anonymous editor is repeatedly changing the attributed text in the article. To date I have blocked 4 different IP addresses (3 with the same ISP, all 4 in Saudi Arabia). I am asking the editor(s) to cite additional sources if they believe the existing ones are incomplete. Otherwise, if the edit pattern continues then I propose semi-protection for the article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
