Talk:Odle Middle School
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This article was nominated for deletion on 2008 February 23. The result of the discussion was Keep. |
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[edit] PRISM
"PRISM is always located in the Bellevue school (elementary, middle, or high) with the lowest test scores, so as to raise the school's average test scores and make the school's statistics better."
- i deleted this because i feel offended. Prism continuation known as GATES Program will be located in interlake, largely because the convinient location and AP/IB combined courses, not because the reason mentioned above.
- I'm not going to edit anything but I had always heard this as one of the main reasons for locating the program at Stevenson and Odle. Neither school really had much else going for it that would have been a reason to locate that kind of program there.
It would help if PRISM AP and IB were defined. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks to Nicodemus75 for the info. I see that PRISM remains undefined and all I could find was something to do with reform in science and math. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 15:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
December 14, 2006 -CambridgeBayWeather, I added links to wikipedia articles about the IB and AP programs, this is probably sufficient for a passing mention, because neither AP or IB are offered at ODLE. (To take AP Calculus in PRISM, students usually had to travel to Bellevue High School for a class period. This might have changed, but I'd imagine the AP test would be administered in a High School at any rate.)
-As to the statement at the beginning of this talk page, it would be interesting if it was backed up with data. Something along the lines of "Prior to the introduction of PRISM, ODLE's test scores were poor." I can say that it's at least partially true for Interlake High School. IHS does not offer an Advanced Calculus course (there are two students in it during the 2006-2007 school year), whereas Bellevue High School, Newport High School, and Sammamish High School have at least one Advanced Calculus class each. A large portion of the student body failed the math portion of the WASL. But the influx of freshmen into AP Calc AB means there will need to be an advanced calc class in a few years. Remember, the official reason for continuing PRISM in IHS (instead of Sammamish High) was because the IB program better fit the district's aims. That may or may not be true, but prior to IHS's remodeling, it was, statistically at least, the more-worse high school in the Bellevue School District. Remember, there are stats that are not reported, such as student violence and the like.
If anyone wants to check out the statistics, compare SAT scores and number of AP/IB tests from each high school. IHS and SHS are similar in SAT scores (Interlake has better scores) but NHS and BHS are leagues above them.
Why weren't Bellevue High and Newport High considered for the program, again? (Overpopulation for BHS and Newport does not take students from outside it's area.)
At any rate, I see there is a case for thinking the same might have happened at ODLE and Stevenson, but to properly argue the point, one would need data from years past which may or may not be available.
Maybe school size had something to do with the whole affair? I was told there would be more than 150 PRISM students at ODLE during the 2006-2007 school year. -aleksey
-Actually, I searched and found this very nice tool. Peruse at your will statistics: Side By Side Comparison Tool. ODLE is not the best middle school in the BSD, statistically (see: Tyee). But as Odle is to Tyee, Highland is to Odle. -aleksey
[edit] AFD debate link
This page has been kept following this AFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Neutrality
You really can't be saying how wonderful a teacher is in a factual article about a school. Wikipedia may be editable by anyone, but it is expected that the information be factual and when possible attributed to reliable sources. I'll will edit that section later unless someone disagrees. --Kraftlos 06:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I killed it because it had no place in an encyclopedia, no matter how true it is =) Unless someone can make a case for it, It really shouldn't be there. Now, if somebody wanted to make a page on some teachers... Well, I guess they have to be relevant. --Aleksey
This article seems pretty biased. it has a sentence or two about the advanteages and then says how much time prism takes up and uses about two paragraphs describing the negatives. If there is going to be a pro/con type thing, it should be written from a neutral perspective, no "biased facts".
It looks good how it's written now. It might appear to be a biased section in the eyes of people in the program, but you can't pull any punches there are opinions both for and against the program. I didn't go to these schools and have no opinion about the program, however I do have an interest in how our region is portrayed on wikipedia and am trying to make this article presentable. If you have a problem with the amount of content for and against, then you should add to the article yourself using valid sources (please don't use deletion to balance the article). Next time please sign your talk. Thanks ^^ --Kraftlos 06:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Deletion
Just to head this off now, please discuss deletion at the deletion discussion page, not here. Kraftlos (talk) 07:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks everyone for working on this rather than just tell me that it was fine as it was. The article looks good now! --Kraftlos (talk) 21:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Image: A PRISM LA/SS teacher
I don't think that this image is encyclopaedic nor that it adds anything to the page. Therefore I removed it but the creator then re-added it. May I have other view, please? TerriersFan (talk) 17:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Comment - I agree that a picture of a "PRISM LA/SS teacher" does not seem encyclopaedic. If there is something unique about a PRISM classroom - like design, materials used, etc. - then it would be acceptable to have a picture of those. --Daddy.twins (talk) 17:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see any justification for its inclusion. Alansohn (talk) 17:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- A language arts/social studies teacher does not give me an adequate portrayal of this school. Teachers are only a small part of every educational institution. Also, I am unable to tell if this teacher is even teaching in this picture. A picture of the school would probably be more notable. This is kind of helpful, also: Wikipedia:Images#Image choice and placement. --DerRichter (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- If you notice in the background, there is a schedule. This is indeed a school enviorment, and the features on this teachers face potrays himself as tired from teaching such a gifted group of students. I indeed know this instructor, and he indeed is a middle school teacher. ⊕Assasin Joe talk 22:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Ok thats fine and all, but it is possible than someone foreign to this school may not know what to make of it or the reason for this picture being included. Maybe something that gave a larger scope of the school or student body would be better? --DerRichter (talk) 23:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- I second that DerRichter. --Kraftlos (talk) 00:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- But i thought your wer the one that wanted the article deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Assasin Joe (talk • contribs) 00:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
