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[edit] Ashlee Simpson

SNL incident significant enough? It's not even a blip on the radar of history. It might be worth mentioning on a timeline of 2004. Anyway, since she may have been singing along to a track and not lip synching per se, it's POV to state that as fact. Everyking 20:41, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• However, I believe the incident at the Orange Bowl tells another story. Would it be POV to state that for that day? -- Riffsyphon1024 00:06, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Restate that in a way that I can understand, please. Everyking 00:45, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What? You didn't see it? -- Riffsyphon1024 02:20, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I see it, but it doesn't make much sense. Are you saying you think the Orange Bowl incident is more notable than the SNL incident? Everyking 02:31, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It may not be as notable, however it proves the point that she can't sing. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:34, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed an odd coincidence: 1024 = October 24. Everyking 02:50, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

No shit. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:08, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That combined with such a vehemently negative attitude toward her might lead one to suspect the two are linked. But I have no idea. Anyway, what is your point, you just trying to goad me, or what? Everyking 03:17, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, one thing I plan to accomplish is to lessen your obsession with this pop star. (Btw, 1024 is my birthdate) -- Riffsyphon1024 03:24, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I must point out that this is beginning to look like trolling. Everyking 03:30, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, if you think this is, it's not. Trolling is something else. This is more like setting the record straight. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

All right. Well, in the absence of any defense of the mention of the SNL incident on this article, I'll remove it soon. Everyking 03:42, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You've had two already, so stop pretending. I'll add a third, and I'll revert you if you remove it. --Calton 03:46, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That would be one. So explain your reasoning. Everyking 03:50, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

No, that would be three. Stop retending otherwise. --Calton 22:39, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There's you, although you haven't given any reasoning. Jesse's Girl added it, but hasn't spoke up here yet. Riff argued with me but hasn't yet said it should be included. Everyking 02:23, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I feel it's significant enough. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:27, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

So you would say this is a particularly notable historical event? Everyking 03:41, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

If it leads to the destruction of an career, yes. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:07, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm not going to respond to such trollish nonsense. If you don't want to honestly talk about whether this is significant enough to go on the page, then we can just go on reverting. Everyking 05:41, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Honesty in discussion when it comes to Ashlee Simpson is the last thing you can pretend to be doing, Everyking. I know it, you know it, everyone else knows it: you really aren't fooling anyone at this point. --Calton 15:45, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That does nothing to address the question of inclusion. Everyking 15:54, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, he reverted it. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:02, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

We have a revert war. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:45, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think this event was quickly forgotten, and therefore not important enough for this article. I mean, i bet there are many events that were talked about longer then this was, and not on this page. --AlexTheMartian 05:34, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Exactly. It might be worth a mention on a 2004 timeline. It would definitely be worth a mention on a 2004 in the U.S. timeline. But not in a general timeline giving the most important events to have occurred on this date throughout history. Everyking 08:37, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Then you dont mind if we include this in the 2004 article? -- Riffsyphon1024 01:21, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I would not object as strongly, no. Everyking 01:41, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well even though I submitted it there, LegolasGreenleaf deleted it for non-notability, so end of story. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:28, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ha, good sense prevails for once. Everyking 03:06, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm taking this off my watchlist and I will leave it to others to decide the matter. Everyking 06:11, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate suggestions for news events - October 24, 2004

Am slightly puzzled that so many editors believe the Ashlee Simpson incident on Saturday Night Live really was the most significant event to occur in the world in 2004. This just smacks of baiting Everyking to me, especially given that the justifications for inclusion are (apparently) "[proving] the point that she can't sing" and "to lessen [Everyking's] obsession with this pop star".

If we really do need to list a significant world event for 2004, then surely either;

• 12 hours of earthquakes batter northern Japan, leading to 17 deaths, and leaving over 1,000 injured. [1], OR

• The first new vaccine for tuberculosis in 80 years passes its clinical trials in the United Kingdom. [2]

Umm, except that the Japanese earthquake happened on October 23rd, not 24th. --Calton 01:06, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

In the great scheme of things, the revelation that a pop singer has been shown to be lip-synching on television seems incredibly insignificant. However, in the light of the arguments, I'm not going to edit the article, and will leave it to others to decide whether this should be replaced. - MykReeve 12:36, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Since multiple events can be listed for each day, nothing needs to be "replaced" or given sole priority. --Calton 01:06, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The battle is over. Everyking won by margin of victory +2. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:04, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I am somewhat concerned that words such as "battle" and "won" are used in regard to this discussion. That hardly seems in the spirit of good-natured debate.

Nevertheless, if you mean that the community decision ultimately reached was that this event was not internationally noteworthy, (as is evinced by the comment above that the event was rapidly excised from the 2004 article), perhaps it should be removed from this article, and/or replaced with one of greater significance? - MykReeve 18:50, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This is absolutely ridiculous. If Everyking were to have added a similarly prominent (but positive) factoid about Ashlee Simpson to this article it would have, quite rightly, been removed. A minor incident involving a minor celebrity is not worthy of inclusion on this page - however much fun you find it to annoy Everyking. This is pure provocation, and frankly looks like bullying. How about trying a little maturity and good will. -- sannse (talk) 22:26, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

How about trying a little maturity and good will. Try explaining that to Everyking: the only way to avoid "goading" him is to avoid anything and everything that comes between him and his ownership of Ashlee Simpson, the subject. Period, full stop. Read Votes for deletion/Ashlee Simpson U.S. tour, 2005 if you want to see Everyking's defensiveness and pouting in action.

(And, I might point out, that the user who first added the event, Jessie's Girl, supported Everyking on that VfD, so you can't accuse that user of trying to provoke anything.) --Calton 01:06, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Those edit summaries strike me (as an editor) as a bit out of line. Taunting of the blocked is not considered suitable behaviour on Wikipedia. Please cool it - David Gerard 12:19, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moving standards

There's quite a lot of strawmen on display above.

1) Nobody -- and I mean nobody -- has said that this was the most significant event to occur on October 24th, 2004. That's not even an issue, since multiple events can be listed per year. See, March 1, which lists five events.

2) "Internationally noteworthy" or world-shaking doesn't seem to apply in general to listings, to judge by the 4th (The Price is Right airs its 6,000 episode) and 5th (Punycode adopted by the national registrars of Germany, Austria and Switzerland) items on the list. For further examples, let's look at all of the listings from the first few days of March 2004:

March 2

• 2004 - Voters in Georgia vote on a referendum concerning that state's flag.
• 2004 - Disgruntled by the state's education act (Act 60), residents of Killington, Vermont vote to become part of New Hampshire.
• 2004 - War in Iraq: Al Qaeda carries out the Ashoura Massacre in Iraq, killing 170 and wounding over 500.
• 2004 - War in Iraq: A United Nations report from the weapons inspection teams states that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction of any significance after 1994, despite widespread belief to the contrary before the invasion.

March 4

• 2004 - The files of Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun are released to the public five years after his death.
• 2004 - FIFA reveals its list of 100 Greatest Living Footballers (otherwise known as the "FIFA 100")

March 5

• 2004 - A three-headed frog is found in Weston-super-Mare, England.

March 5th also has some good examples from past years that also do not seem to fit Everyking's sudden interest in standards for date pages:

• 1861 - Montgomery Blair is named 23rd Postmaster General of the United States by Abraham Lincoln
• 1867 - Little River County, Arkansas is organized in the United States.
• 2002 - MTV begins airing The Osbournes.
• 2003 - University of Manchester and UMIST announce agreement to merge operations.
• 2003 - Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks provokes controversy in the U.S. by stating that the band was "ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas."

3) In short, it's not a question of standards, it's a question of tip-toeing around Everyking's pet obsession. --Calton 01:09, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Well, I can agree that there are events here that simply do not hold up to the rest.

March 2 - a) The voting on a referendum is not as noteworthy as the day the referendum was passed. b) once again, voting, not really needed here.

March 4 - the FIFA List is not noteworthy enough, I've never heard of it.

March 5 - Now when's the last time we've found a three-headed frog. That can stay. However Little River County is not important enough, unless you wanted to include every county in the US. I'm not sure about the Osbournes article; it was popular, however is the premiere a notable thing? The event about UM and UMIST is not notable enough. My opinions stated. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:47, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Who is Fracis T. Buckley? Should a 14-year old student appear here?