Talk:Ocean's Twelve

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[edit] "Reception"- Overly Negative/POV

The reception section is overly negative. The section is 301 words long, with only 67 of them being non-negative - that's means roughly 78% of the section is dedicated to negative reactions. Even then, the "positive/neutral" comments are played down with fairly negative intros, as if they were aberrations - thus calling the POV into question. Removing one or two of the negative comments and replacing them with positive reactions would help to balance this section. According to popular sources, the movie received something in the range of 50-60% favorable reviews (Rotten tomatoes: Critics 55%, Users 59% - IMDB 6/10, etc.), therefore the reception section should be fairly balanced in reflecting both negative and positive reactions.--65.244.150.2 19:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Box office gross

We are currently saying that O12 will take more $5m. Is this a US-only figure? Seems kind of small for all global box office still to come - isn't released in the UK til this weekend for example. Pcb21| Pete 21:32, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • It was US$85 million. [1] I was trying to figure out how to add it into the template, where it says "{{{budget}}}", but I couldn't find the corresponding entry. --Idont Havaname 00:35, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary/synopsis

I think the plot summary could be a good deal longer. I read this page looking for help understanding the movie, and it didn't help at all. Arbiter125 03:02, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

New Synopsis: I have added a 1,923 word outline of the film's plot. I hope it will answer many questions that this (in my view) underrated film has raised. If I have made any mistakes, or if there is any additional data anyone would like to add, go ahead. I don't like deleting other people's work when I don't have to, and since my synopsis is a bit long and revealing to those who have not seen the film, I wanted to keep the original plot description which I have now called a summary. I have deleted from it only the last couple of lines so it is no longer a spoiler. Scott 197827 12:36, 4 Oct 2005.

After recently rewatching the film, I have made some changes and additional detail to the outline. It is now over 3000 words - longer than most synopsis on Wikipedia, but I think it's worth it. Scott 197827 17:41, 9 Oct 2005.

Honestly, I think this is too much for an encyclopedia article. This level of detail is best left to a fansite, not Wikipedia. Not only is there too much information, we also have way more screenshots than are necessary for this film. I propose that we eliminate the synopsis section and instead beef up the "Plot Summary" section. — EagleOne\Talk 20:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
While I admire the time it took to put together, I also feel that the synopsis is too long. However, to compensate some, the plot outline could be expanded some if other editors felt it was necessary. Furthermore, something should be done about the article layout. With the exception of the lead, the entire article has a spoiler warning, which is too much. I think if some minor changes were made, this could be fixed so people who haven't seen the movie could still read various part of the article (like the soundtrack section and possible part of the trivia section ) without worrying about the plot being spoiled for them. The {{endspoiler}} tag would be used for this. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 10:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I recently expanded the plot summary section and deleted the extended synopsis. I've also rearranged/renamed things to match the format of the Ocean's 11 article. — EagleOne\Talk 20:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Laser tripwire scene

Just out of curiosity, is it really possible to do what the guy did during the laser scene with the capoiera? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.67.167 (talk • contribs)

I'm gonna answer that with another question: Is such a secuity system as that portrayed in the capoeira scene possible/extant? 68.123.46.208 05:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
It's possible but would be utterly ridiculous. A tight grid of lasers which cannot be crossed would be much more simple and secure. Also, real lasers are invisible. Only their point of contact can be seen (like a laser pointer, you only see the dot on the wall). Mcr29 00:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

That song in the laser scene is not on the Ocean's Twelve soundtrack. But it is La Caution's "The a la Menthe". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.100.116 (talk • contribs)

I've added info to the article on the legal download location of "Thé à la menthe", as it is a sought after track from the film Early Q 15:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
That is not relevant to the film and is unencyclopedic. Just64helpin 20:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yellowhammer

found this web site http://jazz.discogs.com/artist/Yellowhammer that points to Hugo Nicolson- the man behind the band. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.110.3.254 (talk • contribs) 17:00, July 19, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] criticism

I re-added the criticism that was removed before as "nonsense", with citation. The current plot summary looks like thinly veiled praise, and the lack(due to removal) of criticism makes this entry look very much like a fan-page instead of an encyclopedic entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.253.177.76 (talk • contribs) 15:25, October 26, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Notes - Translation

Unless there's a specific reason the translation of the Dutch police officer is included in the additional notes, I'm removing it, seeing as it is subtitled in the DVD version.JohnnyRush10 02:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] East Egg reference

I'm not going to doubt it yet, but can someone tell me where in the movie that happens?JohnnyRush10 00:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Violence

I'd say Rusty's car getting bombed was rather violent... albeit rather benignly. Is there a better way to phrase the lede so that it doesn't say there was no violence in the film, as technically there was? 71.146.5.233 22:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Along the lines of violence, that was pretty tame, and it is more efficient to classify that as non-violent and refrain from deliberately explaining that scene. if you count explosions then pretty much every movie is violence. thanks for your concern, but we don't need to split hairs. 76.27.215.219 (talk) 17:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Metafilm?

Can someone explain how Frank's pedicures works as metafilm? Is this something about Bernie Mac I don't know? It's not on his Wikipedia page. ~~thisglimpse

It's certainly not a metafilm and I've removed references to that concept from the article - it's unsourced and incorrect as well as being far too much in detail. violet/riga (t) 16:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second Paragraph

Why does something about ratings need to be in the second paragraph? Wouldn't that be better served for... plot? Production, perhaps? I dunno, but something more useful than ratings is certainly needed. NuclearWarfare 00:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Oceans12Poster2.jpg

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[edit] Cons described

The other two Ocean films (11 & 13) have a "Cons described" section and I think this article should have one as well. The cons are briefly mentioned by name in the "Running Gags" section but I think this should be expanded. If anyone knows how those cons are named, someone should add that. Itsmeiam (talk) 03:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)