Talk:Objective pronoun

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All that crap about 'regional differences' needs to go. Firstly, labelling some as 'incorrect' and others as 'correct' is hardly NPOV. Secondly, if the 'incorrect' uses exist as normal utterences, then they're aren't uses of an objective pronoun at all, but suggest that the sobjective/objective pronoun labels in these dialects is mistaken. --202.147.117.39 11:41, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)'

That 'than' example doesn't show that the objective and subjective distinction is being lost, but that objective case is correct for the argument of a preposition and subjective case is correct for the subject of a clause. But we already knew that, that's the default assumption. I think that the 'than' example should go to the top of the page, under 'what's the difference between objective and subjective'.j —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.73.197 (talk • contribs) 16:01, March 17, 2006

[edit] Which is which and what is what?

To someone who is not familiar with grammar terminology, the main (first) section does not make it clear which of the examples are objective and which are subjective. Also, some indication as to what 'target' and 'initiator' are would be helpful. To describe things by associating them with other grammatical terminology alone, just leads people in a circle of strange new words and explains very little to those who might actually need to seek help in understanding grammatical terms by referring to a free online encyclopedia. It would be nice if someone could make this clearer and more accessible to the uninitiated. Thanks. Drywontonmee 01:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

My first comment for wiki, so I hope I am not violating too many rules or protocols... I would like to support Drywontonmee's statement. I didn't know what a pronoun was. I was able to get through the articles on subjective, reflexive, and possessive pronouns and come away with a clear understanding. The section on objective pronouns, however, is not at all clear. Where the other sections each list their specific pronoun forms, the objective section has the sentence about comparing forms. This completely threw me for a loop. After reading the current text, I don't really understand what objective pronouns are.

This is the text that I found particularly confusing: '...as an example, the following comparisons can be drawn: the word "I" can be compared to "me", "we" compared to "us", "he" compared to "him", "she" to "her", "who" to "whom", and "they" to "them".' I know I can compare "I" to "me", but what is that comparison telling me about objective pronouns. Thanks, WaJimKelly 19:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Agree with both of you that the article isn't clear from a zero-knowledge base. Lacking time to edit the article properly, here's a quick guide: The subject, the "do-er" of the action, is I, He, She, We, They. The object, the "do-ee" (recipient) of the action, is Me, Her, Him, Us, Them.

Examples:

         I like her.  (I = subject, I'm the one doing the liking. The one being liked is the object, "her".)
         She likes me. (She = subject; me= object). 
         We like them.
         They like us.

The true grammar geeks will regard this as an over-simplification, but if it helps the uninitiated, well, that's the idea. You can leave comments, questions, etc. at my talk page here. Hope this helps.

Oh, and for "who" and "whom", somebody wrote a funny song about which to use when, here. Unimaginative Username 05:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

] i me we us he him she her who they them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.242.154 (talk) 19:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)