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[edit] Suspicious paragraph

The Oberons were arguably the best conventional submarine class of its time, with an astonishing reputation for quietness that allowed it to exist into the 21st century until replaced by newer classes such as the Collins and Victoria classes in Australia and Canada respectively. In fact, the ability of the O-boats to run in total silence enabled Australian submarines to successfully attack USS Enterprise, despite a huge number of supporting ships 'protecting' it. This led to the U.S. re-instating diesel boats into their fleet with the Los Angeles class SS.

Is the part in Italic font really true? It looks like a hoax or a mistake to me. I can't imagine the US will replace their nuclear subs with diesel boats. The LA class is also an SSN. A reference about the exercise and date on which this "attack" occurred would also be helpful. Sietse 11:32, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

ive heard the rumour of an oberan class actually getting a hit on a us carrier during an exercise.Corustar 15:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

-No, this line about retiring the LA class subs is false. The USN re-introduced diesel submarines for a few reasons, one of them being that diesel subs are more capable that the larger nuclear classes in shallow water roles. I'm afraid I can't give you a citation immediately but I have this information from several sources at the Australia Strategic Policy Institute.

Also, I have a slight... wariness about including lines such as: "In fact, the ability of the O-boats to run in total silence enabled Australian submarines to successfully attack USS Enterprise, despite a huge number of supporting ships 'protecting' it."

...as I've heard many stories like this, including the Australian Navy detecting B-2s and other stealth aircraft by utilising non standard radar placements, F/A-18s/F-111s using improvised tactics to avoid detection during Red Flag, and so on and I personally believe, unless these can be cited with some, let alone clear references, they shouldn't be included in these articles. I don't mean to detract from the ADF services as they are very capable and professional. But many of these claims are "camp fire" stories with little if any basis in fact. Example, to the best of my knowledge, B-2 bombers have never been used in any exercise with foreign military services. As far as I understand it, it was only recently at the Red Flag exercises that any stealth aircraft were involved (in this

case the F-22) and even then it was limited to in-service use, not with foreign services. Nevertheless, they spread as in-serice urban myths. (Bobbo9000 02:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC))

Interestingly enough, I'd heard this story in relation to the newer Collins class submarines, but it involved the sinking of two Los Angeles class submarines. Ref: ...For example, in 2002 during the biennial RIMPAC, exercises involving the navies of the U.S., South Korea, Canada, Japan, Chile, Peru, and Australia, an Australian Collins-class diesel-electric submarine was able to score multiple kills against two U.S. Los Angeles-class nuclear-powered attack submarines... found at http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/164/documentid/2873/history/3,2360,656,164,2873 and probably elsewhere as well. Has anyone Googled this Enterprise issue.

Mark5677 07:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

A new incident with diesel subs slipping through USN carrier escorts: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1811 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.247.32 (talk) 01:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian subs to be sold for scrap

CBC News: [For sale: 4 submarines, not shipshape]

HMCS Onondaga, HMCS Ojibwa, HMCS Okanagan and HMCS Olympus were purchased between 1965 and 1968... they may be able to get $50,000 to $60,000 each as scrap metal.JohnnyB 16:12, May 25, 2005 (UTC)