Talk:Oberon Zell-Ravenheart

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page.
Biography Portal
Start This article has been rated as start-Class on the project's quality scale. [FAQ]
This article is part of WikiProject Neopaganism, a WikiProject dedicated to expanding, organizing, verifying, and NPOVing articles related to neopagan religions. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the Project's quality scale.
(If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)

Contents

[edit] Copyvio

It looks like text of this is a copyright violation from http://www.caw.org/clergy/oberon/ (i.e. its a direct cut and past of the text). For the article to survive in wikipedia it will need to be rewritten in our own words.

I re-wrote it; the text as it originally appeared here was written by Oberon about himself in the third person for the CAW website.
Davidkevin 07:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm also not sure about the statement one of the founders of deep ecology movement. We would need third part sources for this. --Salix alba (talk) 22:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Starwood Festival

Please cease inserting the Starwood Festival into the body of the article. Ven. Zell-Ravenheart's connection to it is simply as a guest speaker and attendee, not as an organizer, and it is not relevant to the article beyond the list of festivals at which he has spoken which appears at the bottom of the article. Thank you.

Davidkevin 19:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Davidkevin, do you think it's appropriate to list the events, or isn't it more listcruft than than encyclopedic? I think it's listcruft. He's been appearing at events for over thirty years. Who decides which appearances are important enough to be included? ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
There must be SOME way to decide what items are "important enough" to be on a list, and IMO lectures and workshops presented at SOME venues must be notable; he spends a significant amount of his career travelling around the world doing them on a professional basis. I see no reason to assume that a radio appearance is necessarily more important than several appearances at a major event, for instance; he's been doing them for 30 years as well. How about this: a public appearance list can consist of events notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles. Is that not reasonable? What else is needed: 3rd party citations? A clear connection to the subject's field of expertise? Repeat appearances? What? Rosencomet 18:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proper form of name(s)?

In this and the Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart article, sometimes the last two name are hyphenated, other times not. Which is it, officially? ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I took a look at the Mythic Images website, and he's using the hyphen. So, once I do the cleanup on this I'm going to move the page (assuming there are not objections :-)). ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Page moved. I decided to do it via cut and paste rather than the move function, so as to avoid even temporary problems with the redirects. Adjust your bookmarks and return tray tables to upright positions. I'll also do link repair on other articles. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 04:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

The subject of this article has contributed a great deal to the Pagan community, among other cultural areas. Yet the article reads like a farily brief promo/bio blurb followed by listcruft. I'm going to be bold here and start the cleanup. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Fairly major rewrite done, plus sourcing and NPOV-ing. Largely sourced from Adler, though could also source from back issues of GE if needed. ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 04:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Where can the original text of this (or these) articles be viewed? It seems to me that some information is missing, and I'd like to review the text. (For instance, where is the "Living Unicorn" material?) This seems rather drastic without all editors being able to see the extent of your "fairly major rewrite". Rosencomet 19:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Page history for Oberon Zell Ravenheart ~ Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 20:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grey School of Wizardry

I have created a section on the Grey School of Wizardry here, where it certainly is apprpriate as the main occupation (besides writing books) of Oberon Zell-Ravenheart since 2003. I think it merits an article itself, just like Witch School has, but until one can be written that satisfies the editors who have deleted the last two attempts I have simply created a redirect page to this article. Rosencomet (talk) 17:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Featured, quoted, interviewed, or otherwise referenced:" The monster unbound

I've completely removed the following section from the article as one of the most bloated monsters of a section I've ever seen. If there is substantial material on or about Zell-Ravenheart in any of these books, perhaps they might be added back in. However the burden is on the person who puts them back in the article to show that they have meaningful and significant content related to the subject of this article. Pigman☿ 05:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I would question whether the Hans Holzer book should be included on the list at all. While it does mention Oberon by name (as Tim Zell, as he was still using his birth name at that time) that chapter in the book is a hit-piece, bordering on libel. I knew and know Oberon personally, both then and now, and I can personally certify that the chapter is extraordinarily slanted to make him look like some sort of psychotic, Manson-esqe cult-leader. Holzer was angry at being called out in Green Egg and other places for the inaccuracies in and sloppiness of his earlier Paganism books and, frankly, took a petty revenge out on Oberon. -- Davidkevin (talk) 20:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Oberon Zell-Ravenheart contributed to or is featured, quoted, interviewed, or otherwise referenced in the following books:

 This section may contain information of unclear or questionable importance or relevance to the article's subject matter.
Please help improve this article by clarifying or removing superfluous information. (talk)
This section may stray from the topic of the article.
Please help improve this section or discuss this issue on the talk page. (help)
  • The New Pagans by Hans Holzer (Doubleday & Co., 1972)
  • Witchcraft, The Old Religion by Leo Louis Martello (University Books, 1973)
  • Religious & Spiritual Groups in Modern America by Roger Ellwood (Prentiss-Hall, 1974; Prentiss-Hall, 2nd edition 1998)
  • Occultism, Witchcraft & Cultural Fashions by Mircea Eliade (University of Chicago Press, 1976)
  • Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America Today by Margot Adler (Beacon Press, 1979; revised and expanded 2nd edition Viking, 1987; revised and expanded 3rd edition Penguin Books, 2006)
  • The Encyclopedia of American Religions by J. Gordon Melton (Gale Research Co., 1979; 2nd edition Triumph Books, 1991)
  • Encyclopedia of Witches & Witchcraft by Rosemary Guiley (Facts on File, 1989; 2nd edition 1999)
  • Heaven on Earth: Dispatches from America’s Spiritual Frontier by Michael D’Antonio (Crown Publs, 1992)
  • The '60s Spiritual Awakening: American Religion Moving from Modern to Postmodern by Robert S. Ellwood (Rutgers Press, 1994)
  • Paganism Today by Graham Harvey & Charlotte Hardman (eds) (Thorsons Press, 1995)
  • America's Alternative Religions by Timothy Miller, ed. (State University of New York Press, 1995)
  • People of the Earth: The New Pagans Speak Out by Ellen Evert Hopman & Lawrence Bond (Inner Traditions/Destiny Books, 1996)
  • Magical Religion & Modern Witchcraft James R. Lewis, ed. (State University of New York, 1996)
  • To Ride a Silver Broomstick: New Generation Witchcraft by Silver Ravenwolf (Llewellyn Worldwide Ltd., 1997)
  • Contemporary Paganism: Listening People, Speaking Earth by Graham Harvey (NY Univ. Press, 1997)
  • The Encyclopedia of Cults, Sects, and New Religions by James R. Lewis (Promethean Press, 1998)
  • Goddess Worship, Witchcraft and Neo-Paganism by Craig Hawkins (Zondervan Publishing, 1998)
  • Peculiar Prophets: A Biographical Dictionary of New Religions by James R. Lewis (Paragon House, 1999)
  • Religious Leaders of America by J. Gordon Melton (The Gale Group, 1999)
  • Triumph of the Moon: A History of Modern Pagan Witchcraft by Ronald Hutton (Oxford University Press, 2000)
  • Practicing the Presence of the Goddess: Everyday Rituals to Transform Your World by Barbara Ardinger (New World Library, 2000)
  • Odd Gods: New Religions & the Cult Controversy ed. by James R. Lewis (Prometheus Books, 2001)
  • The New Believers: A Survey of Sects, Cults and Alternative Religions by David V. Barrett (Cassell Academic, 2001)
  • Being a Pagan: Druids, Wiccans, and Witches Today by Ellen Evert Hopman (Inner Traditions/Destiny Books, 2001)
  • Modern Pagans by John Sulak (ReSearch Books, 2001)
  • Neo-Pagan Sacred Art & Altars: Making Things Whole by Sabina Magliocco (University Press of MI, 2001)
  • The World of Wizards by Anton & Mina Adams (Lansdowne Publishing/Barnes & Noble, 2002)
  • The Practical Pagan: Common Sense Guidelines for Modern Practitioners by Dana Eilers (New Page Books, 2002)
  • The American Legal System & Nontraditional Religions: The Case of Contemporary Paganism by Carol Barner-Barry (2003)
  • Nelson College Prep Biology 11 by Giuseppe Fraser, LeDrew & Roberts (Nelson Thompson Learning Publishing, 2003)
  • Shadows of a Witch by Shewolf Silver Shadows (WitchesWayPublishing.com, 2003)
  • New Age & Neopagan Religions in America by Sarah Pike (Columbia University Press, 2004)
  • Pop! Goes the Witch by Fiona Horne, ed. (The Disinformation Co., 2004)
  • Celebrating the Pagan Soul Laura Wildman, ed. (Citadel Press, 2005)
  • Encyclopedia of Religion & Nature by Bron Taylor (Thoemmes Continuum, 2005)
  • Religion & Popular Culture: A Hyper-Real Testament (Gods, Humans, & Religions, No. 7) by Adam Posasamai (Peter Lang, 2005)
  • Introduction to Pagan Studies by Barbara Jane Davy (Altamira Press, 2005)
  • Odyssey: Wisdom’s Children by Anita L. Wynn (aka WolfWoman) (PublishAmerica, 2006)
  • Nature Religion Reader in Paganism & Ecology by Barbara Jane Davy, ed. (AltaMira Press, 2006)
  • Her Hidden Children: The Rise of Wicca & Paganism in America by Chas S. Clifton (Altamira Press, 2006)
  • Dragonlore: From the Archives of the Grey School of Wizardry by Ash DeKirk (New Page 2006) (contributor)
  • Gargoyles: From the Archives of the Grey School of Wizardry by Susan Pesznecker (New Page 2007) (contributor)
  • Composing Magic by Elizabeth Barrette (New Page, 2007)