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The June 14 attempt to retake the city's center was carried out by 300 Municipal police, not 3000. The street battle lasted about 8 hours, not 3 days.

Who writes this crap for you guys?

The assault began at about 4:30 AM. By 9:00 AM the Municipal Police had retaken control of the zócalo (central square). At about 9:30 AM, the striking teachers, who had been joined by various peasant organizations, communists, anarchists and student groups, counterattacked the police. I was there. Please see [1] as well as many other posts and photos.

Opinion: This counterattack was probably a result of no deadly force being employed by the police during their initially successful assault. End opinion.

By 12:00 noon or thereabouts, the Ministerial Police (formerly the Judicial Police) had to enter the city's center to rescue and pull out the Municipal Police.

Since that time, an umbrella group calling itself APPO (Asamblea Popular del Pueblo de Oaxaca) has taken over from the teachers. In fact, as of today, September 27, 2006, the teachers have begun returning, albeit slowly, to their classrooms. The teachers' union, the SNTE, has been appalled by the violence and anarchy which reign on the city's streets at the hands of APPO thugs. The 70,000 teachers who originally supported the strike have seen their numbers shrink to about 10,000 or so. The problems now are between APPO and the governments, both state and federal.

As of today, the APPO leadership, expecting another attempt by the police to remove them and a claimed 2000 roadblocks set up in and around the city, has fled to Mexico City. They flew out of Oaxaca International Airport yesterday. Tomorrow and Friday will see a state-wide strike or,

better, a state-wide work stoppage. Just about everything will be closed down since CANACINTRA (the state Chamber of Commerce, more or less) has agreed to honor the work stoppage out of concern for the safety of workers, merchants and businesspersons. CANACINTRA executives announced their decision while at the same time demanding the President Fox send in Federal Preventive Police to retake control of the city's streets and "reestablish the rule of law" in Oaxaca.

Many people are evacuating the city todaqy and tonight, at least as long as they are able to get out before the highways are blockaded by APPO.

Contributed by Mark in Mexico.

Thanks for the update Mark. I live in Oaxaca, but I (coincidentally) left in June for an extended visit to the U.S. It's hard to get news about the situation here. (I'm not one of the authors of the article.) I should point out, though, that the site you linked to claims there were 3,000 police and soldiers, not the 300 you mention.
Rbraunwa 17:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Is this title form really preferred?

Is this really better than Oaxaca (city) would be? Especially given that normal Mexican cities aren't at this form, this seems really annoying. john k 17:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] teachers' strike - shooting of 28 October

Someone claimed that this was a "firefight" and that there were claims that the protestors themselves had guns. There is no evidence for this in either the yahoo report nor in the indymedia report, so i removed this. It may sound silly that Ms Cana blames the protestors for the fact that they got shot at, but if someone wants to quote (paraphrase) what she said, then please at least do it accurately. The yahoo report says she said "violence" - you can't miraculously interpret this as a gunfight. The only violence reported is of gunmen against protestors, so this means she blames the protestors for having provoked other people to shoot them. A gunfight is between two groups with guns, not one group with guns and one without. Anyway, please add precise citations for any claims. Boud 18:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


User:The Ungovernable Force wrote (edit summary) the AP is saying both groups fired and calls it a shootout. Well, please give a URL. Boud 18:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The Yahoo news story (which is from AP) says "Both sides fired but it was not clear who shot first." An earlier version from last night called it a shootout in the first paragraph (that was the story I originally linked to, but I guess yahoo updates their stories on the same URL as the previous version). After reading some other accounts, including Reuters, I'm starting to doubt AP's claim though. A Reuters photographer says the protesters had nothing more than fireworks and bottles, and I don't know who to believe for sure. But AP does say both groups shot at each other. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 19:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, i think you're correct, i missed that earlier. BTW, for a common Western language like Spanish, you can check spanish-language sources through e.g. http://babelfish.altavista.com to at least judge for yourself whether the citation seems reasonably consistent with the source. Of course it's not perfect, but it is available. i think that NYC Indymedia should say something more about their info quite soon. Boud 20:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I personally can read Spanish with a basic level of understanding (that's all 3 years of high school gets you damn it!). I was just more concerned with other people. And I trust that it says what you say it says. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 03:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split proposal

Is anyone in favour of splitting off teachers' strike into its own page, e.g. Oaxaca teachers' strike 2006 ? There's not a huge amount of material so far, but this is a big thing and chances are it will grow. Boud 21:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

i should add that i'm not going to promise that i will necessarily do much work on the page if we split it off - it would only make sense if at least one eager person or several moderately active people want to do so and think it reasonable. Boud 23:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be spit off, but I also can't promise to do too much more work. That paragraph on the shootings is getting pretty long too. Has anyone thought of putting this on wikinews yet? That would get us a lot more editors. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 03:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HELP!!

does anybody no anything about Juan Cabrillo I have no clue