Talk:Oath of citizenship (Canada)

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"It has been stated by Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, of the Islamic Institute of Toronto, that muslims may take the Oath of Citizenship "as long as you are clear in your mind that you are doing so without contravening the sovereignty of Allah"; reciting it should not be viewed as a form of shirk.[9]"

--Is this sentence completely necessary. It seems to be too specific a detail.

[edit] Assessment

I have assessed this as a B-Class, given the large amount of referenced detail and proper organization, and of mid importance, as I feel that this topic plays a strong, if not vital, role in Canada. Cheers, CP 16:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source

Rufus, you are, of course, quite correct that Wikipedia relies on reliable sources. However, you must give sound reason for why archived video footage does not meet WP:RS standards. --G2bambino (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Why is the onus on me or any other reader to take the time to track down the source? That's your job. If you can't or won't, I'll keep removing the passage. By the way, I have lots of time to do this. The Wikipedia monarchy-republic pages aren't your personal domain to patrol and edit at whim so it's probably best to cooperate and work towards balance and consensus.MC Rufus (talk) 22:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

You don't know anything about sources, do you? --G2bambino (talk) 22:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't anybody look to me for sources. I always got empty pockets in those situations. GoodDay (talk) 22:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The sourcing issue aside, the supposed fact that the "recantation rally" was poorly attended in a particular year is simply not important to the subject of the Canadian Oath of Citizenship. I've re-written the paragraph with an eye to sticking to the subject, cutting that and other material which, it seems to me, was not giving useful information about the Oath, but was either publicising or belittling the CCR, its members or its activities. Some of the paragraph's stuff (both of the cut and of the left) should go into the article on the CCR, which is rather light on material as it stands.
(As for the sourcing issue, an ephemeral broadcast is not a good enough source because it is useless for verification. Therefore, unless a clip of this supposed interview has been archived where it can be reviewed, it won't do the job because there no proof of what was actually said in it, nor even of that it ever took place. I could find no trace of it in the CBC archives. However, this is now academic, here, and I hope it remains so.)
-- Lonewolf BC (talk) 01:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Roach / Ashok Charles confusion

This page [1] seems to imply that Charles Roach and Ashok Charles are different people - Mr Roach being the lawyer, and Mr Charles being the citizen who recanted his citizenship oath. The article seems to confuse the two. Maybe someone can attempt to clarify this? --Choongiri (talk) 07:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've corrected it. There should be no confusion now. - MC Rufus (talk) 22:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)