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[edit] Band members over the years

What was with that messy Band's line up section? I've changed it back to the older, cleaner version that is much easier to read and is called Band members over the years. It shows the current Line-up as well as past members and it is all presented in a easy to read graph. The only thing that might be a good addition could be a colour coded key. Seraph 31 15:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best selling artist in the uk?

Channel 4 done this thing the best selling artists in the UK and oasis were 10th. if your wondering robbie williams was 1st i think that oasis were 10th should be mentiond

I saw `a similar thing where Oasis were 30-something, Cliff Richards was #1 and the Beatles were `#2.--Crestville 20:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Ye, I think i saw the sme one as Crestville. It was on recently but I had seen it before, maybe before the release of DBTT. It was only based on singles sales. Oasis came 26th with over 6.5 mil single sales but as I said, this was probably before the release of DBTT and its singles.--Play Brian Moore 18:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw one that might have been the one you two saw. It was artists who've sold the most singles, and Cliff Richard was number one. After that I think it was Elvis and The Beatles. In my memory, Elvis came second, but I may just be imagining that. Who knows, eh? None of that's really relevant, as I can't remember what position Oasis were at all. --Benwilson528 02:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that this is not relevant, such polls are carried out on a regular basis by various sources which provides for unreliable information, in the end it comes down to a matter of opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.195.250.2 (talk) 13:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scott McLeod

Scott Mcleod was never acknowledged as an official member of the band. He was replacement for Guigsy in the video and for a couple of shows. But he was never an official member and he shouldn't be put neither in the member section, nor in the infobox. So, please, don't put him just because you think so. --Painbearer 08:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relevance/Position in Britpop

"releasing their debut album Definitely Maybe in 1994, leading the Britpop movement."

This isn't technically true. I can see what the writer was getting at, although the actual text suggests that DM was one of the first britpop albums - which it wasn't. Some people even consider The Stone Roses to be a britpop album, and that came out in '89, but most would probably say Suede' eponymnous debut ('93) or The La's eponymous debut ('89) were the first. I'd suggest changing to something like: "...which is seen as one a milestone in the britpop music scene", despite how pompous it sounds The.shite.pours.out.of.me (talk) 15:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Fansites in External Links

Is it just me, or does the litany of fansites in the External Links seem really unencyclopedic? It seems like theres new ones added constantly, and some of them seem gratuitious and unnecessary. Heck, L4E isn't even on the list (currently), and that's certainly the biggest fan forum, as well as a fully comprehensive info site. Other bands' articles seem to have solved this issue by just linking to the band's official page linking fan sites, and leaving it at that. Thoughts? Castlecraver 19:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it matters. As long as they are updated regularly and continue to be relevant than it's fine. They are references and the like, so that's what this is for. -- Bang bang you're dead

Fansites should be included. Often times they have more info regarding certain things than the official sites themselves. If you feel l4e should be on the list, then add it. Don't delete everyone else's.


[edit] GA on hold

This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :

1. Well written? Fail
2. Factually accurate? Fail Pass
3. Broad in coverage? Fail
4. Neutral point of view? Fail Pass
5. Article stability? Pass
6. Images? Fail


Additional comments :

  • Copyrighted images lack fair use rationale.
  • Examples of poorly written/weasel words ridden/pov oriented lines:
    • Thanks to the success of their critically acclaimed debut album
    • coupled with a supposed rivalry with contemporary band Blur
    • The Gallagher brothers featured regularly in tabloid newspaper stories, and cultivated a reputation as both bad boys and the band of the people.
    • At the height of their fame, how do you know it isn't finished or they wont be famous again?
    • Although there have been many theories on where Liam got the name from, he got it from an Inspiral Carpets tour poster which was in his and Noel's bedroom.
    • who had recently heard
    • Although he had been critical of them, he agreed, with the provision that he would become the band's sole songwriter and leader, and that they would commit to an earnest pursuit of commercial success.
    • The first of many notorious incidents came in February 1994 when the band were involved in a high-profile incident
    • Noel Gallagher's penchant for taking the odd riff or lyrics from other artists was now becoming notorious.
    • and many more...
      They thus need citations or be rewritten to rid such problems.
  • This only shows the history of the band, what about a Criticism/Reception section.
  • What about recording, where it took place.
  • What about videos, influence, musical style.
  • The discography subarticle should at least have a paragraph explaining what the group has done or what is expected.
  • It is missing references en masse (a lot of them).

Lincher 17:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed all of the bad images - Addit 22:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA failed

Even though lots of additions and tweakings were done lately on the article, I still feel that the article is full weasel words and close to pov-feelings toward the band. I also feel that there is a need for a Criticism/Reception section to give the story of the article in the light of the critics. The article will not be GA as of now but upon modifications, please bring it back to GA candidacy. Lincher 11:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use for audio samples

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The fair use rationale is stronger if it accompanies the text, and if you nominate this as a Featured Article, you'd get plenty of voices telling you to place them next to the relevant text. Obviously lots of articles just shove them to the bottom, but that doesn't mean they should. WesleyDodds 23:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Most Successful?

See where it says Oasis became one of the most successful and in the third paragraph. Could this not be changed to the most successful band considering the Guinness Book of World records called Oasis the most successful band in Britain over the last 10 years?--Play Brian Moore 12:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but only if you cite the book (complete with page numbers). WesleyDodds 12:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Noel changed the name to Oasis not Liam

I was pretty sure that Noel said he would join the band on the premis that the name be changed from The Rain to Oasis. Liam was already in the band when it was called The Rain. Noel Came in and demanded the change. Can anyone back this up? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stoo94dufc (talk • contribs) 02:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC).


Not true. 'The Rain' was originaly Bonehead and Gugisy's band. After firing their lead singer, they got Liam, who changed the name to Oasis. Noel came after Liam begged him to join because their songs were shit. Ponydigger9 23:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah Liam got the name from Oasis leisure centre in Swindon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Italian chef2 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Johnny Depp

Does anyone feel that Johnny Depp's guest guitar part on "Fade In-Out" is enough to justify a mention under 'Band members over the years'? I mean, it's only the one studio recording (that doesn't really constitute membership), so perhaps normally it wouldn't be appropriate, but as he is a figure of well-known standing himself, it might merit inclusion. My mind isn't made up. Whilst I'm leaning towards leaving it out (the article's already pretty long and it's essentially just a piece of trivia), others might feel otherwise, so I thought I'd bring it up. It is mentioned on Depps' page, if that influences anyone's opinion. Benwilson528 02:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't see any reason to consider him a member, it was a one off thing. If we were going to add all of Oasis' guest musicians over the years as bendmembers you'd have to add Paul Weller, Kate Moss, Lisa Moorish, Meg Mathews, even Zak Starkey has proved dubious. These people (with the probably exception of Starkey) never considered themselves "members" of Oasis and niether did anyone in Oasis. It is certainly a significant fact but I think it's mentioned un the article anyway.--Crestville 16:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I think that if there are other facts like that, put it in a trivia section. I've not fully looked through, so it might already be there. In which case ignore me!Work hard, Play hard, Drink harder 08:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone added him as a temporary member again so I removed it. He clearly never was a member and only did a guest part for a song. 81.157.241.251 03:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Mates, Depp also played guitar on the Fade Away "Warchild Version." Which incidentally also featured Lisa Moorish, to add to the songs Kate Moss/Johnny Depp/Lisa Moorish/Liam Gallagher/Pete Doherty incestuousness. But no, Depp was never "in" Oasis.207.181.9.161 (talk) 23:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Oasis (band)

Why has this paged been moved. There is no reason for it? Where was it discussed?--Play Brian Moore 17:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


Oasis are NOT from Manchester - FACT!!! They are from a small town called Burnage a few miles from Manchester city centre. -- User: JemmyH . 81.153.9.175

I live a few miles from Bradford City Centre. It's still Bradford. Here's what the Wikipedia page on Burnage has to say: Burnage is a small post-industrial suburb of the City of Manchester, in North West, England. It lies about four miles south of Manchester city centre. Anyway, even if it wasn't, this isn't about where Noel and Liam are from ,it's about where the band are from, and Oasis were formed in Manchaster.--Crestville 14:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The talk page should just be about improving the aspects of the article. Otherwise, oasis have a forum on their official site and there's always MySpace. Otherwise, it's not here or there.
As for Burnage, I know that suburbs in the UK are a bit different than in North America, but it's still the metro area of Manchester, like Black Sabbath being from Aston in the Birmingham area, to put it that way. Manchester will stick out more than Burnage. Burnage must be a small city, since we have a similar situation in Upstate New York.Sposato (talk) 03:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Influences

The who is not an iffluence. This is a major insult to the who, so stop putting them in their influences list.

WHY HAVE THE SEX PISTOLS BEEN REMOVED AS AN INFLUENCE ON OASIS? THEY WERE LISTED AS AN INFLUENCE FOR A LARGE PERIOD OF TIME BUT RECENTLY THEY KEEP BEING REMOVED DESPITE MY ATTEMPTS TO KEEP THEM THERE. THIS IS A COMPLETELY IGNORANT VIEW ON OASIS. HERE ARE REASONS WHY THE SEX PISTOLS WERE A MAJOR INFLUENCE ON OASIS:

1) LIAM, ACCORDING TO HIS WIKI PAGE, DESCRIBES HIS VOCAL STYLE AS A CROSS BETWEEN JOHN LENNON AND JOHN LYDON
2) THEIR MYSPACE PAGE, ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT BE OFFICIAL, LISTS THEIR INFLUENCES AS: "Beatles/Stones/The Who/Stooges/Neil Young/Pistols/Roses/Smiths"
3) IN 'WIBBLING RIVALRY', A RECORDING OF AN INTERVIEW WITH LIAM AND NOEL, AT THE 4-5MIN MARK LIAM CLAIMS THAT THE SEX PISTOLS WERE "THE BEST ROCK N ROLL BAND THAT EVER CAME ABOUT", HE ALSO USES THE SEX PISTOLS AS A REASON TO JUSTIFY HIS BEHAVIOUR
4) http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/events/selector06/oasis_selections.shtml
5) IN THE DVD 'THERE AND THEN', DURING LIVE FOREVER, PICTURES OF PREVIOUS GREAT ROCK STARS ARE PROJECTED ONTO A SCREEN BEHIND THEM. THE LAST PICTURE IS OF JOHN LENNON, THE ONE BEFORE THIS IS OF THE SEX PISTOLS
6) http://youtube.com/watch?v=tamxb9eij10 IN THIS VIDEO NOEL LISTS HIS 'HEROES' GROWING UP, BOTH JOHN LYDON AND STEVE JONES FROM THE SEX PISTOLS ARE MENTIONED. THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER VIDEO ON YOUTUBE WHERE NOEL DESCRIBES OASIS' RECORDINGS AS EITHER LIKE THE PISTOLS OR THE BEATLES
7) http://youtube.com/watch?v=1PL46gOz4ng IN THIS VID AT ABOUT 3/4 OF THE WAY THROUGH, WE LEARN THAT OASIS ASKED GLEN MATLOCK (THE BASSIST FROM THE SEX PISTOLS) WHETHER HE WOULD WANT TO FILL IN ON BASS WHILE GUIGSY WAS ILL
8) http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ay5NfySke3w - DAVE GAHAN CLAIMS THAT LIAM IS INFLUENCED BY JOHN LYDON
TheBeautifulGame 22:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

First, please don't write in capitals. Second, none of these links or arguments are relevant to whether the SP were an influence on them. They may have been of course, but all that these tell us is that Oasis liked the SP, not quite the same thing. --Guinnog 23:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

OK THEN PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE KINKS, THE WHO, THE SMITHS, TREX, OR EVEN THEN BEATLES WERE ANYTHING MORE THAN BANDS THAT OASIS JUST 'LIKED'... IF YOU ARE IN A BAND AND YOUR LEAD SINGER SAYS THAT HE IS TRYING TO SING LIKE A CROSS BETWEEN TWO OTHER SINGERS HOW CAN U SAY THAT HE/SHE IS NOT INFLUENCED BY THEM? FURTHERMORE IF YOUR LEAD GUITARIST AND MAIN SONGWRITER DESCRIBES HIS OWN SONGS AS A CROSS BETWEEN TWO OTHER BANDS, HOW IS HE NOT INFLUENCED BY THEM? IF YOU HAVE A CHILDHOOD HERO, HOW ARE YOU NOT INFLUENCED BY THEM? YOUR HERO COULD BE ALI, MICHAEL JORDAN, ELVIS, MARLON BRANDO, OR ABSOLUTELY ANYONE - ASPECTS OF THEIR BEHAVIOUR WILL STILL RUB OFF ONTO YOU TheBeautifulGame 00:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Again, please don't write in capitals. To answer your question, the Beatles, the Who, and the Kinks' influences can be heard in pretty much all of Oasis' albums. Don't tell me you haven't listened to (What's the Story) Morning Glory? Second, name one Oasis song that sounds like "God Save the Queen" or "Bodies". And provide a reference so you can put it in the article without being shouted down. None of your current references provide that. Rather, they only show that Oasis likes, even admires the Sex Pistols ErleGrey 00:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- There is a more punkish sound on Bring It On Down, Headshrinker and Fade Away.
However, a band need not necessarily sound like another to be influenced by it. Few would doubt The Smiths' influence on Oasis, but the two bands' sounds are very different. Ultimately, The Sex Pistols were an influence on Oasis, though possibly not as big an influence as The Beatles, Smiths, Roses etc.


We would need a reference saying something like "According to NME journalist Jake Stevens, Oasis 'are influenced by' the SexPistols" with a link or a verifiable reference in a book or a magazine. Not Usenet, messageboards or youtube either. And can you please stop SHOUTING! Erle, could all those bands currently listed withstand similar scrutiny? Not saying they couldn't, just asking... --Guinnog 01:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

According to John Harris' Britpop book, the band's main influences are the Beatles and the Stone Roses. Sure they listen to and draw influence from other bands, but those are the two main ones. WesleyDodds 11:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

There are a few songs that sound a bit sex-pistoly: Rock N' Roll Star, I Can See A Liar, Be Here Now etc. I am certain they are an influence on Oasis. And Liam's voice has definate Lydon-inspiration. On the definitely maybe DVD Liam says something along the lines of "If I sound like a cross between Lydon and Lennon, I'll be happy" - is that a good enough source? There's bound to be something out there comparing to two, I'll have a rummage. Also, this probably won't do, but it made me laugh so I thought I'd share it: "The Pistols were the boys really. You could put together a ‘best of’ from the Clash’s five albums and it wouldn’t be worth a wank next to Never Mind The Bollocks".Noel Gallagher: Oasis (Hot Press April 1996)--Crestville 16:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I've heard Noel and Liam Gallagher state the Sex Pistols as big influences a million times, they should definately be listed as an influence. It's not just the sound, which can be heard in songs such as Fade Away, Headshrinker, I Can See a Liar (etc.) but the whole attitude of the band, as much as anything which inspired them. Rico Ricardo 23:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I say remove the whole section, because it's very vague, and this whole argument is stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.5.225.172 (talk) 19:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lord Don't Slow Me Down

Its going to be releaed in the summer 2007 Bobo6balde66 23:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? Also, do you mean the film, on DVD or the song as an EP? The latter would certainly merit inclusion on this page whereas the former should probably just go on the discography and Lord Don't Slow Me Down--Crestville 15:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The DVD will be released in the summer according to the NME Oasis edition (p.20, section 'L').--Play Brian Moore 18:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm cleaning up The Beatles' influence on popular culture

There is a long section about Oasis being Beatleseque, but it's too detailed for the article mentioned above. I'd like to include this section here instead. I'm not very familiar with Oasis though. It might also need some minor(?) cleanup. If one of you would like to work it into here (with the section headline "Beatles Influence" maybe), I'd appreciate it. Or please state otherwise why it should not be included here, and I'll see how much of this information can/should be saved in another article. – sgeureka t•c 17:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Oasis have often cited the Beatles as a strong influence.

Oasis have covered numerous Beatles songs during their career. The first was a live performance of "I Am The Walrus", first released on the 1994 single "Cigarettes & Alcohol" and later released on the B-sides compilation The Masterplan. Since then they have released studio covers of "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" and "Helter Skelter". Noel Gallagher himself performed "Help!" on some of his 1998 acoustic sets.[citation needed]

Noel has also been involved in a number of collaborations of Beatles songs, beginning in September 1995 with "Come Together". The song was recorded with Paul McCartney and Paul Weller under the guise of the Smokin' Mojo Filters and was recorded at Abbey Road and released on the HELP album. In May 1996, Noel and his brother Liam were guests on a live cover of "Day Tripper" at an Ocean Colour Scene" gig. In 1999, he provided acoustic guitar for Claire Martin's cover of "Help!". In September 2000, he sang and played guitar on performances of "Tomorrow Never Knows" (with Johnny Marr and Cornershop) and "All You Need Is Love" (as part of a group finale) as well as backing vocals and acoustic guitar on a cover of "I'm Only Sleeping" with the Stereophonics. These three performances were part of a John Lennon tribute show, performed at George Martin's AIR Studios, and broadcast on Channel 4 in September 2000. In August 2002, he was recorded singing parts of "Eleanor Rigby" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" during a soundcheck for a live performance on Late Night with Conan O'Brien show. Noel also performed "Strawberry Fields Forever" on November 2006, with Gem Archer and Terry Kirkbride, for a charity gig at Koko in Camden, London.

Oasis have also occasionally slipped in small parts of Beatles songs in live performances. They have regularly ended live performances of "Whatever" by singing parts of "Octopus's Garden". Bits of "Got To Get You Into My Life" found their way into a couple of October 1995 performances of "Round Are Way". A riff based around the vocal melody of "Tomorrow Never Knows" was integrated into an extended intro for live performances of "Cigarettes & Alcohol" in 2000 and 2001.

Their current semi-official drummer Zak Starkey is the son of Ringo Starr. Starkey joined in early 2004 after Oasis longtime drummer Alan White left the band. He performed on their latest album Don't Believe the Truth (2005) and subsequent 2005-2006 world tour, but he wasn't signed as a new bandmember and didn't participate in interviews and photoshots.

Noel Gallagher sat on a panel in 2004 to decide on the most influential of pop artists to be included in the UK Music Hall of Fame, and was quoted as saying "They [the Beatles] inspire me more now than they did when I was a kid and are still the greatest."[1]

The end of the song "She's Electric" (What's the Story Morning Glory-Oasis) is the same progression of the transition from "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" into "With a Little Help From My Friends" (Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band-The Beatles).

[edit] To EarleGrey and all the "cleaners"

Listen dudes, I appreciate your edits. They are fantastic. But please bear in mind that you are not the only editors. The band started recording the would-be-DBtT in mid-to-late December 2003. In January 8, 2004, Alan White's departure was fully confirmed by the press. That's why I am changing it persistently to December and I just don't know why you want to revert it so bad badly.

Also it is too early to speculate what the new album will sound like. The band haven't started recording sessions. I remember back in the begining of the sessions that they were trying to emulate SotSoG or BHN, but it didn't turn quite like that. Let's just wait for more upcoming info and then will be able put some relevant information and references. This is mere speculation by Noel. Of course, he likes to boast. I just prefer to wait and see what happens than putting some information with little relevance at this point.

This is for everybody who likes to do "cleanups" and reverts and puts information that is with little or no relevance to the artcle. Bear in mind that whatever edits I make, I don't make them to see them reverted by some knuckleheads. Sorry for the jab, but grow up boys and start acting reasonably. It is kinda frustrating to see it happen everytime and explaining every time what is the deal and you boys with little or no regard - just reverting it.

Next time you revert it - just write down why you are reverting it. Because, if you revert it with little or no reason - I will revert it back. Suit yourself.

Regards: Painbearer 23:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

No discussion about genre?

I'm not so sure about the Psychedelic Rock tag personally. GBobly 17:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

They are not Psychedelic Rock! ≈ Seraph 14:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
They once said that Britpop was a dirty word, which may allude to their war with Blur. I don't fully believe in genres myself.Sposato (talk) 03:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative rock/Indie Rock and Oasis???

This is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock

...Dubbed "Britpop" by the media, this movement represented by Oasis, Blur, Suede, and Pulp was the British equivalent of the grunge explosion,[27] for not only did it propel alternative rock to the top of the charts in its respective country, but it centered it on a revitalization of British youth culture celebrated as "Cool Britannia". In 1995 the Britpop phenomenon culminated in a rivalry between its two chief groups, Oasis and Blur, symbolized by their release of competing singles on the same day. Blur won "The Battle of Britpop", but Oasis' second album (What's the Story) Morning Glory? went on to become the third best-selling album in Britain's history;[31] Oasis also had major commercial success overseas and even charted hits in the United States...

Oasis at one time was (and some may argue still are) Alternative Rock, and were Indie (Creation was an independent label before Sony bought into it) so the Genre section must only represent present musical genre's , or should it include the past???

Please could someone clear this up. All the best JohnOasis321.

Oasis were considered to be Alternative Rock when they first appeared. No doubt some editors thing they are too mainstream or they have "sold out" or whatever. But most sources list them as alternative rock, eg All Music Guide, and WP's own Alternative Rock page. JW 13:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

In the UK, Oasis are just rock. It's in the US that they are considered alternative. They haven't changed their sound, ask any critic of the band so they are hardly sell-outs.--Play Brian Moore 16:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
No, in the UK, they are considered alternative/indie more so in the US, because most Americans aren't aware that Oasis were on an indie label or are even familiar with Britpop. Nevertheless, they are the most traditionalist of the major Britpop bands. WesleyDodds 00:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
In the UK, they are considered Rock or Britpop or maybe indie. They are not considered alternative in Britain rather only by America e.g. All Music Guide. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fenian Swine (talk • contribs) 11:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
"Indie" is the UK term for alternative rock. WesleyDodds 12:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
No. "Indie" is derived from independent label i.e. a band that was not on a major label. Nowadays, indie has become more of a sound. Alternative is a sound. You could describe Nirvana as alternative but you couldn't describe them as indie anymore because indie is a sound. In totalilty, indie and alternative are not the same thing.--Play Brian Moore 23:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
That's one of the meanings for "indie", and Oasis certainly don't fit that criteria anymore. The thing is in the UK "indie" can also mean a specific genre, which throughout the rest of the world is called "alternative rock". Oasis certainly fits that criteria. So what am I getting at? Oasis is properly classified as alternative rock. WesleyDodds 23:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The rest of the world or just the US like I said first off. I'm Irish and I wouldn't consider Oasis to be either indie or alternative, it's just rock 'n' roll as some might say, much as the Beatles are rock 'n' roll.--Play Brian Moore 21:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Erm, I don't think you can call one of the most popular Rock band in the country (UK) 'alternative rock'... alternative to what? they're a rock n roll band, that's what they've always said. I sight 'Rock N Roll Star' as my witness, "it's just rock n roll" etc. Simple as that. Rico Ricardo 23:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Rico, it certainly isn't as simple as that. There's no rule that say the alternative cannot also be popular LiAm McShAnE (talk) 23:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oasis Influenced...

On an April 2007 episode of the radio program Loveline, Lily Allen metioned that an elementary school teacher heard her singing an Oasis song and started teaching her to sing, theoretically beginning the early days of her career. I think this should be mentioned.

--Long Away May 01:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe on the Lily Allen page. Oasis have known to influence many artists, from Arctic Monkeys to Nelly Furtado. Putting down a list of artists who(m) Oasis influenced would take a lot of space and detract from the main point of the article.--Play Brian Moore 23:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Good point. I'll try to add it in there somewhere if it's not already there.Long Away May 21:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OMG, what happened to Liam's voice

I know that this has already been discussed. But I recently watched live concerts of Oasis in the past few years, and Liam sounds like he has had a stroke. It is awful. I remember his range and power in the 90s. He was a truly awesome singer. I know he has aged, like everyone, but his voice should not have declined this much. Maybe he is drinking too much before going on stage. This really makes me appreciate their earlier work. This is Oasis live with "Don't Go Away" in 1997. Simply Beautiful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEO-hPFU8bE Now here is Oasis in 2005. Uggg!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAwy5xpg80A

You be the judge!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.155.126 (talk • contribs)

This is actually covered in Liam's article. No one really knows what's caused his vocals to decline. Dave101→talk  08:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I find some shows his voice is better than others actually, it's clear he has lost some of his high range though. It's pretty much down to 15 years of ageing, drug abuse, too much alcohol and smoking. His voice is still pretty powerful though. He also has a very physically straining way of singing, and claims that he doesn't do much in the way of vocal exercises. It happens to a lot of singers, but often if they go to a decent vocal trainer they can get back a lot of the range they're missing. But whatever, I quite like his voice all gravelly, maybe that's just me Rico Ricardo 06:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

- Yeah we shouldn't make too big a deal about his voice. I too heard Liam's shocking vocals circa 2003, but when I last saw Oasis in concert in Sydney around 2005, I didn't even notice a problem User: Spud.

[edit] Flag

I'm taking down the little England flag from the infobox. I can't see that it adds anything that the word "England" doesn't already convey.--John 16:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indie Rock!?

one of the biggest bands in the UK and popular all over the world. None of their albums have been less than platninum..how exactly are they indie rock?

British indie has become a very mercurial concept, hard to pin down. Watch the "British Indie" edition of "The Seven Ages Of Rock" if you can track to down.--Crestville 11:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Clearly whoever wrote they are indie rock is retarded. Indie rock means INDEPENDENT LABEL.. Oasis was signed with SONY.. one of the world's largest.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.112.95 (talk) 17:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Sony took care of international distribution. Their domestic record label was Creation Records, one of the key indie labels in Britain. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Oasis has made fun of groups who are too insecure in their recordings to try and make it/sell albums. In this interview Liam said of certain self-important, pretentious, pseudo-credibility groups "They all just wanna be little indie shitheads" [1] - Soprani 03:10, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, the term indie has become incredibly unclear over then years, and the argument isn't helped by people who believe that "indie rock" has a sound. I personally don't consider Oasis to be an indie band, but many people do, so I'd say it isn't crime of the century to call Oasis an indie rock band. LiAm McShAnE (talk) 23:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Surely Noel's (and Oasis') current label - Big Brother - counts as an independent label? The.shite.pours.out.of.me (talk) 23:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Within You Without You" Cover

From reading this article, it is my understanding that Oasis covered Within You Without You by The Beatles. First of all, how do I get this song? Sounds awesome. Second, we need a citation to proove that they did indeed cover this, in the case that there was never a retail version of it. Lastly, the article also states that this recording was used in the remix album Love (The Beatles album). Through my original research I have found this to be untrue. I won't touch the article quite yet until I get feedback either way. Thanks! thealexfish 01:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll touch the article for you. Love (The Beatles Album) is made up exclusively of Beatles recordings. I expect people with disagree but I'm gonna be bold... --Stanleytheman 22:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

just checked the reference and NG states that Oasis were inspired by LOVE to record the cover of Within you without you. Therefore THEALEXFISH, that proves that you are right, and Oasis did do the cover you talk about, AND that if LOVE inspired them, they could't have recorded on it/for it! Cool --Stanleytheman 23:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

They covered it for the 40th anniversary of Sgt. Peppers longely hearts club bands release, organised by the BBC a lot of big acts re-recorded songs from the album with the original equipment and with the same recording engineer, at Abbey Road studio's. The tracks were played on BBC radio. If there's an official reference about it I imagine it will be on the BBC website somewhere. 81.157.241.251 03:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Artists Oasis influenced?

Should there be something there about that? Bobo6balde66 18:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Digsy's Dinner up for deletion

Digsy's Dinner has been proposed for deletion. Go and remove the template if you can improve the article or otherwise object the deletion. The main concern is it doesn't have enough verifiable information, and since it's a song article, it should only be a re-direct to Definitely Maybe. Cheers. -- Reaper X 17:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The main concern is not that it lacks verifiable information, but that articles about songs which weren't singles are not normally needed on Wikipedia. Of course there are special cases, and it may be that this is one of them. But "Rock 'n' Roll Star", "Up in the Sky", "Columbia (song)", "Sad Song (Oasis song)", "Bring It on Down", "Slide Away", "Married with Children (song)" don't need stand-alone articles either. They should all be redirects to the album; the issue is not the present poor state of the articles but the inherent non-notability of album tracks. --John 18:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Since all other Stop the Clocks songs have articles, shouldn't Slide Away's be recreated. As I recall it had enough information anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.83.148 (talk) 21:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikiproject Alternative Music COTW

I'll be able to handle sourcing all the way up through Be Here Now. Can anyone cover 1999 to now (there should be an abundance of news items on the web from that period, so it should be just an effort of looking for them)? WesleyDodds (talk) 10:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I did my best. 75pickup (talk · contribs) 04:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sections

Since the beginning of the collaboration people have been changing the subsections for history left and right. I've just revised it but I'm 100% confident that I'm right. I think we should discuss this before we make any more major changes. 75pickup (talk · contribs) 21:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

There's huge blocks of text, so I'm all for more subsections. We might want to go roughly by album. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)



I believe the sections should be wider: 1991-1994 / 1994-1998 / 1999-2007 / 2007- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.89.191.118 (talk) 00:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Official logo

Why isn't the official Oasis logo used on this arcticles info section, as on the Muse and Arctic Monkeys pages? Is there any sort of weird wiki policy against it?--Play Brian Moore (talk) 18:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Nobody's bothered, go ahead and upload it. 75pickup (talk · contribs) 00:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, logos are generally frowned upon in band articles. Particularly if they are just put into the infobox (the namespace in the infobox wasn't intended for that). WesleyDodds (talk) 09:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-GAN Review

Hello. This is an informal review of the article and, I, BritandBeyonce, is not associated with reviewers in GAN and this will not affect the decision of the concerned folks.

—Singer Liam Gallagher (left) and guitarist Noel Gallagher of Oasis, along with live keyboardist Jay Darlington in background. Live in 2005. Don’t put period after “background” because it’s not a complete sentence. Why don’t you write it this way: Singer Liam ……… performing live in 2005. Put a period after the year and it would be better if you will add the venue they’re performing in and what song they’re singing.

—Genres, labels, associated acts, down to members, irregardless of importance or year of occurrences, like members and labels, re-write it alphabetically.

—I think it is fine to remove the asterisk in the infobox. Anyway, you repeated it in the section dedicated for the members.

—Oasis are an English rock band… Oasis, despite its confusing “s,” is still a singular noun. Though there are five members in the band, the term is taken as a whole and therefore should be proceeded with a verb “is.”

—Oasis are an English rock band that formed in Manchester in 1991. I’m a bit confused on this; “that formed” or “that was formed”?

—The group was formed by Liam Gallagher (vocals), Paul Arthurs (guitar), Paul McGuigan (bass) and Tony McCarroll (drums), who were soon joined by Liam's older brother Noel Gallagher (lead guitar). Why don’t you emphasize them as “original” members? Also, don not repeat “formed’ in the next sentence. Why don’t you use "compose," to make it "was originally composed by..." By the way, where is “Alan White”? Please mention him because you emphasized in the latter part of the paragraph the word “completed.”

—Oasis have sold more than 50 million albums worldwide,[1] and have had eight UK number one singles. Why don’t you add this at the second paragraph because you’re talking there about sales, “or” at the end of the paragraph to not break the band’s composition; first you’re talking about the band, so continue with the individuals and not the sales; in that way, we can have a good transition with the ideas.

—number one singles I think number one is hyphenated, like this: number-one.

—The band initially gained prominence performing on the Manchester club circuit. Is it correct already? I’m confused again. Why don’t you say "...prominence when they performed at/on..."?

—The following year, the band recorded Put “On” before the following year to avoid the-the start.

—Could be tabloid newspapers or for the sake of brevity, just tabloid.

—sibling rivalry? Just rivalry; it's more clear. Anyway, sibling is not an adjective that could modify the word “rivalry.”

—fastest-selling album in UK chart history add “the” before UK.

—Wikilink “America” if you really want to use it or use United States

—The band are currently recording their seventh studio album. Replace “are” with “is.” —Why don’t you mention a bit the band’s origin which is the “The Rain.”

—comprised of Paul "Guigsy" McGuigan (bass guitar), Paul "Bonehead" Arthurs (guitar), Tony McCarroll (drums) and Chris Hutton (vocals). Alphabetized please either by surnames or specializations (e.g. vocals); surnames, I think, is better.

—Why did you not add “Chris Hutton” in the infobox?

—which was inspired by an Inspiral Carpets tour poster which was in his and his brother Noel's bedroom. Repeating “which.”

—Oasis original line-up, 1991-1995: Tony McCarroll, Paul Arthurs, Liam Gallagher, Paul McGuigan and Noel Gallagher. You add “from left to right” or otherwise so that I will know who’s Arthurs who was not satisfied with Hutton. =)

—Wikilink Manchester.

—Oasis were or Oasis was?

—He had loads of stuff written... Interpolate Noel to clarify, like this: He [Noel] had loads…

—Oasis under Noel Gallagher crafted their musical approach to rely on simplicity add comma after Oasis and Gallagher.

—Oasis created a sound "so devoid of finesse and complexity that it came out sounding pretty much unstoppable." Remove?

—even Remove?

—big Remove?

—Oasis were invited was invited

—Wikilink Scotland

—found the money found the or found a?

—When they arrived, they were refused entry to the club as they were not on that night's set list I’m lost…

—Is “bully” an informal word? If not, take it as it is.

—They were given the opening slot and impressed McGee POV

—so impressed Again, POV

—McGee was so impressed by what he saw he signed the band to Creation four days later. Add “that” after “saw” or reconstruct it, it’s POVic.

—26 second sample of "Live Forever" from Definitely Maybe and 30 second sample of "Champagne Supernova" from (What's the Story) Morning Glory? Do not just state the span of the sample given but explain better things readers don’t know so that the use of the copyrighted sample is fair.

—reaching number 31 write the number in words.

—reaching number 31 in the charts what chart?

—Wikilink “debut album”

—The best part of a year of POV

—hedonistic and shambolic Any simpler word on this? If no, interwikilink this to Wiktionary. Also, I can’t find shambolic in the dictionary.

—He was tracked down by Creation's Tim Abbot and during a trip by the pair to Las Vegas Gallagher decided to continue with the band. This certainly needs a comma.

—The best part of a year of constant live performances and recordings, along with a hedonistic lifestyle, were starting to tire the band out and a breaking point was finally hit during a gig in Los Angeles in September 1994 where Liam was under the influence of crystal meth, leading to a shambolic performance during which he made offensive remarks about American audiences and assaulted Noel with a tambourine. This upset Noel to such an extent that he temporarily quit the band immediately after and flew to San Francisco. Add citation directly to contentious statements.

—Wikilink EP and British

—Any mild word other than ousted?

—studio percussionist Any link?

—whom Paul Weller recommended to Noel. Who’s Paul? Any connection to Noel?

—Oasis began recording material for their second album in May of that year in Rockfield Studios near Monmouth. Put this at the beginning of the paragraph since their first UK number-one single is part of the album.

—14 August 1995, later in the article, August 11, 1996. Consider consistency in writing dates specially its format throughout the article. If you prefer with the former, write them all in that way and same with the latter.

—During this period, the English press seized upon a supposed rivalry between Oasis and fellow Britpop band Blur. On 14 August 1995, Blur and Oasis released new singles on the same day, setting up "The Battle of Britpop" that dominated the week's music news. Needs direct citations.

—(£1.99 vs £3.99) Add period in “vs’; it glares when you read the article in Microsoft Word.

—Any link to “B-sides”?

—How about “barcode”?

—“furure” and “apologised”. What do you use throughout the article: English or British?

—Noel Gallagher told The Observer in September that he hoped Damon Albarn and Alex James of Blur would "catch AIDS and die", This is not supposed to be written. It’s really a bad word. Just put “Noel Gallagher…………stated a derogatory remark against (name) and (name) that….”

—In September 1995, bassist Paul McGuigan briefly left the band, citing nervous exhaustion. Needs direct citation.

—He was replaced by Scott McLeod, formerly of The Ya-Yas, who featured on some of the tour dates as well as in the "Wonderwall" video before leaving abruptly while on tour in the USA. Who was McLeod in Ya-Yas? “Who featured” or “Who was featured”?

—Gallagher curtly replied "I think you have too. Good luck signing on". This is a direct quotation; it starts with a capital letter and ends with a period, thus insert the punctuation within the quotation marks.

—In order to complete the tour, McGuigan was successfully convinced to return to the band. To complete the tour or the band themselves?

—"Wonderwall" and "Don't Look Back in Anger" You prefer by appearance? If not, rewrite alphabetically.

—It also contained the non-UK single "Champagne Supernova" — featuring guitar playing and backing vocals by Paul Weller — that received widespread critical acclaim and peaked at number 20 on the US charts. When using em dash, we usually remove the space, writing the preceding and proceeding words directly next to the punctuation. Also, to simplify; “featuring guitars and background vocals by…” In addition, add direct citation and spell out 20.

—Oasis line-up Irregardless of the year, add “new” to emphasize that the line-up is new.

—On April 27 and April 28 Add comma after this and wikilink Manchester.

—Highlights from the second night featured on the video There And Then, released later the same year. “was featured”

—As their career reached its zenith Did they really reached it? How? This is POV…

—Wikilink Knebworth

—If I were to connect "The band sold out both shows within minutes; 375,000 people over two nights" and "at the time a record-breaking number for an outdoor concert held in the UK, and to this today the largest demand for a show in British history," I will be confused.

—Four days later comma

—tour of American arenas “of American” or “on American”?

—Liam rejoined the tour on 30 August Not practical. Since you used “on”, proceed it with the month then the date.

—"D'You Know What I Mean" was the first single taken from Be Here Now. Noel Gallagher later said that he had expected to be asked to reduce the length of the song by two minutes, however nobody had the courage to put it to him. Replace the comma after minutes with semi-colon and place comma after however.

—the album was perhaps their most anticipated effort, and as such became the subject of considerable media attention. Opinionated.

—and by the end of business on Saturday rewrite more simpler and clearer wording especially 'end of business."

—In the earlier part of the article, you use USA then later, US. Consistency please.

—but its first week sales of 152,000 – below expected sales of 400,000 copies – were considered a disappointment. Use em dash and, like I mentioned earlier, do not put space. Also, “were considered a disappointment, is a POV. Who was disappointed?

—Although early media reviews were positive, once the hype had died down, the album was criticised for being bloated and derivative with most of the critics focused on the extensive length of several songs, the heavier sound, and overproduction. Needs direct citation.

—Do not spell out “fuck.”

—The Britpop movement was over and the band failed to meet expectations with Be Here Now. After the conclusion of the disastrous Be Here Now tour, amidst huge media criticism the group decided to stay clear of each other and kept a low profile throughout 1998. Very POVic… Unsourced.

—That year or “The same year” or “Same that year” with a comma after.

—Wikilink “compilation album.”

—spell out 14

—"The really interesting stuff from around that period is the B-sides. There’s a lot more inspired music on the B-sides than there is on Be Here Now itself, I think", related Noel in a recent interview. Put the comma within the quotation marks and avoid the use of “recent.”

—In early 1999, the band began work on their fourth studio album replace "began work" with “began to work” or “began working.”

—Wikilink Mark "Spike" Stent and mention a bit of whom he is: a singer, a songwriter, a producer or a combination of such?

—revealed to be taking a co-producing role. Just mention that he will co-produce for simplicity

—In early 1999, the band began work on their fourth studio album. First details were announced in February with Mark "Spike" Stent revealed to be taking a co-producing role. The majority of the album had been written by a now "clean" Noel Gallagher, who had quit taking cocaine in mid-1998. Any citation?

—This was to have a major influence This had a major influence

—Wikilink “recording”

—south of France link this to “Southern France”

—with everything believed to be have been going to plan. Confusing.

—the shock departure Who was shocked? Remove.

—This departure'' The of This?

—Two weeks later comma

—and they brought in Andy Bell, former guitarist/songwriter of Ride and Hurricane#1 as their new bassist comma after Hurricane#1 then wikilink “bassist.”

—Bell had never played bass before and had to learn to play it, along with a handful of songs from Oasis' back catalogue, in preparation for a scheduled tour of America in December 1999. Any direct citation?

—Wikilink Ireland.

—Spell out 24 and specify the chart it appeared on.

—Formerly, you use Top 10, now top 5. What is correct, capitalizing “T” or not?

—UK Single Chart and wikilink it.

—lukewarm reviews What is that?

—Standing Fifth, sixth, seventh album?

—To support the record come the band staged an eventful world tour. How eventful was it? Remove, it’s POV.

—Oasis were forced to cancel a gig when Alan White's arm seized up, and the band spent the night drinking instead. Oasis was. Another term for seized up?

—Liam made a derogatory comment about Noel's then-wife Meg Mathews, and attempted to cast doubt over the legitimacy of Noel's daughter Anais, causing a scuffle. Needs direct citation?

—was quitting touring Redundant –ing. Reword.

—and Oasis were supposed it's was

—Wikilink “live album” and “Paris.”

—Heathen Chemistry, Oasis' first album first or fifth album?

—spell out 23 and add “the” before US.

—"The Hindu Times", "Stop Crying Your Heart Out", "Little by Little/She Is Love", and the Liam-penned "Songbird", Oasis' first single not written by Noel. Use semi –colon replacing all commas except the last comma.

—Any link to “rock sound”?

—use “writing” instead of “penning.”

—In late summer 2002 add “of” before 2002

—Whilst use while

—Indianapolis, IN wikilink and spell out

—After the album's release, the band embarked on a successful world tour that was once again filled with incidents. In late summer 2002, whilst the band was on tour in the US, Noel, Bell and touring keyboardist Jay Darlington were involved in a car accident in Indianapolis, IN. While none of the band members sustained any major injuries, some shows were cancelled as a result. In December 2002, the latter half of the German leg of the band's European tour had to be postponed after Liam Gallagher, Alan White and three other members of the band's entourage were arrested after a violent brawl at a Munich nightclub. Any source?

—Wikilink cocaine

—Two years later'' comma

—Oasis began recording a sixth album in late December 2003 with producers Death in Vegas at Sawmills Studios in Cornwall. Oasis began recording “their” sixth album. Wikilink Sawmills Studios if any and also Cornwall

—The album was originally planned for a September 2004 release to coincide with the 10th anniversary of the release of Definitely Maybe. Direct citation needed

—“who at this time” and “at this time” Reword any of these.

—Though Starkey performs on studio recordings and tours with the band, as of yet he is not officially a member and the band is a four-piece for the first time in their career. Though Starkey “performed” on studio………………… as of yet he is not officially a member needs rewording

—for the first time You used it earlier.

—two new songs — Gem Archer’s close-up

—After much turbulence, the band's sixth album was finally recorded in Los Angeles-based Capitol Studios from October to December the same year. Producer Dave Sardy took over the lead producing role from Noel, who decided to step back from these duties after a decade of producing leadership over the band. In May 2005, after three years and as many scrapped recording sessions, the band released their sixth studio album, Don't Believe the Truth, fulfilling their contract with Sony BMG. It followed the path of Heathen Chemistry as being a collaborative project again, rather than a Noel-written album. It was also the band's first album in a decade not to feature the drumming of Alan White, with Zak Starkey taking his place. The record was generally hailed as the band's best effort since (What's the Story) Morning Glory? by fans and critics alike, spawning two UK number one singles: "Lyla" and "The Importance of Being Idle" (the band's seventh and eighth number one UK singles, respectively), whilst "Let There Be Love" entered at number two. Oasis picked up two awards at the Q Awards: one a special People's Choice Award and the second for Don't Believe the Truth as Best Album. Following in the footsteps of Oasis' previous five albums, Don't Believe the Truth also entered the UK album charts at number one. This is completely unsourced.

—After much turbulence Opinionated

—Los Angeles-based Capitol Studios wikilink

—the same year Since this is a sub-section, better to mention the year.

—Producer Dave Sardy took over the lead producing role from Noel, who decided to step back from these duties after a decade of producing leadership over the band. Rewrite: Producer...... took over the role of Noel in the band......who decided to step back after a decade of his leadership.

—Oasis picked up Oasis earned

—Noel Gallagher performing in concert in America in September 2005 Where in America? If no specific venue stated, use United States for formality and consistency.

—10 May 2005 and 31 March 2006, again…

—spell out 26

—In May 2005, the band's new line-up embarked on a large scale world tour. Beginning on 10 May 2005 at the London Astoria, and finishing on 31 March 2006 in front of a sold out gig in Mexico City, Oasis played more live shows than at any time since the Definitely Maybe tour, visiting 26 countries, headlining 110 shows and playing to 1.7 million people. Any direct citation?

—The tour passed without any major incidents and was the band's most successful in more than a decade. Needed source and add this after Hollywood Bowl

—A rockumentary film was made during the tour. The film, entitled Lord Don't Slow Me Down was released in October 2007. rockumentary or documentary? Put comma after Lord Don’t Slow Me

—which featured what the band consider to be their "definitive" songs. Though the band didn't want to release a compilation, their contract with Sony Music had just expired, forcing a release against the band's wishes. Direct sources?

—Remove “so.”

—During November 2006, Noel and Gem, backed by drummer Terry Kirkbride, began a short tour to promote Stop the Clocks. They played around a dozen shows in various countries around the world. Citation needed.

—In February 2007, Oasis received the BRIT Award for outstanding contribution to music. Source…

—Remove the template for future album because it will categorize the article as a future album. Add it in the main article for their seventh album instead.

—demoing --> demo-ing

—[52]Recording sessions were finished on 18 December and the band will go to Los Angeles as planned in mid-January, for mixing the new album and "maybe do a bit more over there. But not too much", said Liam in an Reuters interview." Give space after the 52nd citation. Transpose 18 December  December 18; better use this format throughout the article. Remove the comma after January and add it after December 18. Put the comma inside the quotation marks, change “said Liam……” to “said Liam in an interview with Reuters” or “said Liam in a Reuters interview (changing an to a)” and remove quotation mark after “interview.”


—Musically and lyrically, Oasis cite bands such as Oasis “cites” band

Do not be confused. While it is long, it is being arranged as they appeared in the article; just follow reading the article and you'll see where my comments are. Please note that this was neither formally nor professionally reviewed. This just came to at least minimize the objections of our formal GAN Reviewers. When a certain objection has been addressed, crash it out or add {{done}} on each addressed objection. Please fell free to object me as well; it's watch-listed. BritandBeyonce (talk) 07:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The article uses British English grammar, so the band are referred to collectively rather than singularly. This should not be altered.--Michig (talk) 08:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Please refer to American and British English differences#Formal and notional agreement--Michig (talk) 08:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
just crash it out objections like the British use. just address the other. BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Anyone can review a GA nomination, if they did not write the article. You can just put it on hold and wait. If the problems are fixed, pass the article. If not, fail it. --Kaypoh (talk) 09:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
This is just an informal review. Anyway, you can erase em' all if you don't want any feedbacks. BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedbacks. I just thought, maybe you don't know that anyone can review a GA nomination. --Kaypoh (talk) 10:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
yeah i know but i don't want to review formally at the moment, and welcome. BritandBeyonce (talk) 10:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] GAN notes

OK, let's see......getting started....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Lead looks okay, though:
...with their new drummer Alan White, while rivaling with Britpop peers Blur. - I remember the rivalry, just thinking how to phrase this better. Not a deal-breaker but food for thought for eventual FAC.
''In 2000, while recording their fourth album Standing on the Shoulder of Giants, Oasis lost two founding members and suffered a notable drop in popularity in America. - stick the 'in 2000' after album title which reduces a comma, also 'drop in popularity' sounds a bit colloquial - 'decline' instead?

* In fact, wherever there's a date followed by a comma, it can often go at the end of a clause without one. There are a few more. Not a biggie now but good for FAC

While Gallagher and his friends did not think Oasis were spectacular, - spectacular strikes me as an odd word. It gives me a visual rather than auditory connotation. Can we think of another? - ok, a little better
and a breaking point was finally hit - I know what you mean but an odd way of saying it. Can we think of another?
shambolic - I'd use something more formal. disorganized/inept etc. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

::trip by the pair to Las Vegas Gallagher decided to continue with the band. - which pair are referred to here, also 'was persuaded to stay with the band' or was persuaded not to leave' are better for last part. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Need to add in why Tony McCarroll was sacked good
regarding country house and roll with it being released on same day, there is the documentary which talks more about this and how country house was rescheduled etc. Important to embellish this bit.
On the same documentary, Liam said he really liked Be here now which Noel didn't - this should be included and referenced.
Standing is among the band's lowest-selling albums worldwide. -isn't it the lowest selling? If so, should be exact.
Needs to be more elaboration on reviews and why particlar albums etc. were not so good e.g. Heathen Chemistry
Again, i am curious as to why NME called teh glastonbury show a disaster
Also, most important of all, there needs to be a paragraph on how oasis are looked upon in the development/history of 90s rock and britpop in general, of which there is none in hte article currently. Otherwise not a bad read. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Since no effort has been made to address these concerns, it has to fail. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 04:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I'll take a look at the above suggestions and try and get them sorted. ScarianCall me Pat 11:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay... in order of how you wrote the suggestions, Calisber:
1) - Rewording of Blur rivalry: [2]
2) - Rewording and replacement of colloquialism: [3]
3) - Minor rewording of sentence to make it more aural: [4]
4 and 5) - Rewording and rephrasing: [5]
6) - Rewording: [6]
7) - Tony McCarroll's sacking: [7]
8 and 9) - What's the name of the documentary and how can we source it?
10) - Still need to work on finding out the sales of that album... Note - I have found an MTV article from 2002 which mentions that Standing... is Oasis' lowest selling album with 189,000 copies sold at that time. I would use that but it's incredibly out of date [8].
11) - Still need to work on that.
12) - Strangely, that NME source is written in 2007 when that particular Glastonbury was in 2004. Instead of changing it I added in a BBC review source of that gig to consolidate the paragraph: [9]
13) - Okay, the addition of the paragraph seems easy enough in terms of sourcing, but where to put it? Top, middle or bottom?
I'll get onto doing those above things ASAP. ScarianCall me Pat 13:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

OK - I presume 13 refers to 12 and is ok as is. My mind is a complete blank and I can't recall the DVD now. It was a friend's I watched a few weeks ago so I'll ask him at work today. Not reffed a visual medium before so will try to read up on how it's done. There should be something else written though, a book on 90s britpop or something at the library too. No probs, should be easy enough to find. Looking better its just the critique/place in 90s pop history that needs some beefing up. Contentwise that was the most important development needed in the article. If done well might not be too far off FAC. My game plan would be to renominate this for GA once some sources are ferreted out and go from there. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:27, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Update-I remembered the name of the DVD now...

here is a review of the DVD I watched a few months ago. 'Twas rather fun and good if one likes the music. I'll have to see how to reference it now.... cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:45, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Did you find out how to reference visual media? ScarianCall me Pat 21:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Not yet. Got distracted. Will look later. Am musing on looking in the library for some sort of britpop book...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

................actually if you look aways down this list, there's a 'cite video' template...I'll try and add some of what I remember from the DVD later. gotta run in a minute :) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

That DVD is already referenced in the article. Just copy and paste the ref tag in the appropriate area. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bands influenced by Oasis

Before adding lists of bands influenced by Oasis, can editors please find reliable sources. MySpace is generally not considered a reliable source - a lot of 'official' MySpace pages are anything but official. Bands saying that they like Oasis doesn't count as being 'influenced' either. There are loads of bands out there that are clearly influenced by Oasis, many of them not notable, but surely there are some notable ones that can be backed up by references? Please also consider whether such a list would add anything useful to this article before adding it. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 12:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, The Coral's official site doesn't make any mention of Oasis being an influence, although it states that Noel Gallagher is a huge fan of The Coral.--Michig (talk) 12:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
It shows how important Oasis were (and still are) as a band and how other bands attempted to emulate them. Official Myspaces can of course be counted. They're official, what's unaccpetable about that? Also, on the official Coral myspace, second band in the influences section is none other than Oasis. Influences BANDS; The Beatles, Oasis.--Play Brian Moore (talk) 16:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
SOURCES. From youtube: from 1:19 until about 1:25. Interviewer 'I know that you were inspired by Oasis and you played with them in Canada, is that right?. Turner replies, 'That's true'. Also, note that on the official Coral Website, [10], the fourth link in from the left hand side, on the second row provides a link to their official myspace page where it states in the 'influences' section: Influences BANDS; The Beatles, Oasis. There are two links found within minutes. I have not found a Libertines link yet but everyone has seen the famous video of Pete Doherty in the cue for Be Here Now.--Play Brian Moore (talk) 16:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, Myspace sites that can be proven to be official are ok as far as they go. The Coral were helped out a lot by Oasis, and toured with them - they may feel obliged to put Oasis in the (long) list on Myspace. There are also about 112 other bands/artists listed as influences, which suggests they just listed all the bands they liked. I've read a few interviews with The Coral where they have talked about their influences, and haven't seen them mention Oasis. These lists are more trouble than they're worth - they just attract additions of unreferenced material. Doherty was an Oasis fan when he was younger - does that really qualify as an 'influence'? What about Coldplay? The Killers? Arctic Monkeys? What do we keep in the list and what to we get rid of? The only way to keep such a list on the straight and narrow is to cite reliable sources where those bands state categorically that Oasis were a major influence on their music.--Michig (talk) 16:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
What about Arctic Monkeys? I've just provided a perfect source to show Alex Turner confirm that Oasis are an influence of his band. What more do you want. Also my factual source (Also, note that on the official Coral Website, [11], the fourth link in from the left hand side, on the second row provides a link to their official myspace page where it states in the 'influences' section: Influences BANDS; The Beatles, Oasis) is of more value than your opinion (they may feel obliged to put Oasis in the (long) list on Myspace). At the end of the day, they have included Oasis in a section entitled 'influences' and Oasis are second in the list, suggesting they are a main influence. I removed Coldplay myself, not really overly influenced by Oasis, far more influenced by Thom Yorke and Radiohead. The Killers became a band after Brandon Flowers went to see an Oasis gig and decided to form a band comprised of members with with a love of Oasis. I will add these three bands, having found adequate sources for them, to show the appeal of Oasis' music and how it influenced the formations of bands.--Play Brian Moore (talk) 16:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
If you can find reliable sources, please add them to the article. That's why the {{fact}} tag was added in the first place. --Michig (talk) 17:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
And 'loving' something and being musically influenced by it are not the same thing - I don't see a big Jazz influence in The Rolling Stones, for instance.--Michig (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
The Killers were influenced by Oasis. The Beatles have a whole page dedicated to how they influenced modern culture including bands that covered them. I think one should get over oneself, I've provided sources. My addition doesn't make the article any worse. It simply emphasises Oasis' influence. Is míse--Play Brian Moore (talk) 17:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
We're not discussing The Beatles here. Read Wikipedia:Verifiability and add references if you want the list to stay. Leave the insults out and start following the guidelines.--Michig (talk) 18:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I've added the sources that you provided to the article. I don't think they're great as references, but at least they're some basis for including these bands in the list.--Michig (talk) 18:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
We're not discussing The Beatles here. We're not discussing The Rolling Stones here either! No insults were intended so apoligies if you took them completely incorrectly. It is extremely frustrating to have the dead horse flogged and flogged again is all. Is mise--Play Brian Moore (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "English" or "British" band?

The question has arisen over on the page for The Beatles as to whether the band should be described in the lead as "English" or "British". Since the discussion there has implications for this article as well, contributors to the Oasis article are invited to provide their input and vote in the poll found here. Thanks, Robert K S (talk) 18:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

they should be "British" as Andy Bell is not English, whereas all the members of the Beatles were at least English-born —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.198.169 (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Q and HMV Best Album Poll Results

I have edited the album pages of definitley maybe and morning glory as Oasis wiped the floor in this poll[[12]]

I thought the editor of the Oasis page may wish to mention it in the main Oasis page or the awards page somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWulf (talk • contribs) 09:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Information and Citations needed for Album Sales

See this page on Linkin Park http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutes_to_Midnight_%28album%29 We need a similar thing on Oasis album pages There are enough citations on this page to websites which may help. If we get exact info then perhpas the citactions warning could be removed and people would stop editing the album sales all the time. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.126.16 (talk) 16:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree.--andreasegde (talk) 15:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:GA

FWIW I think it's pretty good, but I feel it would be a wee bit naughty of me to review it for GA as I have gotten me hands a bit dirty playing with it, so I'll leave it to someone else. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I reviewed it. These suggestions are after some copy editing and other fixes.

  • "The present lineup is completed by songwriter's rhythm/lead guitarist…"—I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here. Y Done
  • The first paragraph of the "Resurgence in popularity (2005–present)" section needs refs. Y Done
  • The way the references are formatted within the article should be consistent—I don't care what style you use, but there should be some uniformity in the way you do it. Allmusic refs should credit the authors of the pages as well. Y Done

That's really all I have. Tell me when done. --Kakofonous (talk) 17:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I've formatted all the web references and credited the allmusic author. I've added sources for the "Resurgence..." section and correct the other wording problem. How's it look now, friend? ScarianCall me Pat 18:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Just a few more—the refs starting with #55 are still a bit inconsistent with the others, and you write dates slightly differently throughout (sometimes 9th March 2008, sometimes 9 March 2008)—the only reason I'm doing this is because people will get nitpicky at you over at FAC if they aren't consistent. --Kakofonous (talk) 18:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Successful good article nomination

I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of March 9, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Yup.
2. Factually accurate?: Good amounts of referencing.
3. Broad in coverage?: Most definitely.
4. Neutral point of view?: Pass
5. Article stability? Pass
6. Images?: Great images, all of them free!

A bit more work and off to FAC we go! If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations.— Kakofonous (talk) 18:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Toward FAC (definitely maybe? bad pun I know...)

  • Ok, I agree with Painbearer's shifting of section to -97 and rationale behind it. That album always seemed to me like a surgical attachment onto previous work. However, my feeling is for the two sections removed to remain as they add some context to how Liam and Noel viewed the album. Yes, an album page should go into more detail but there is plenty of more detail which could go on an individual album page (commentary on each song etc.). Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oasis is Alternative Rock

I'm annoyed at Scarian reverting my Rock->Alternative Rock change in the genre box, twice, disguising it as a general vandalism revert. Oasis, in my mind, has always been linked with the whole alt-rock craze of the 90s. I know that my opinion is no basis for an article, so I present AllMusic, Amazon, and Oasis's official MySpace page, which all classify Oasis under "Alternative". Additionally, the Britpop article states that Britpop is a subgenre of Alternative. Give me a counter-argument. Poiuyt Man talk 20:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

1) I never "disguised" it under a general vandalism revert; my edit summaries were "restore last good version".
2) Allmusic guide says the genre is "Rock" and it has an alternative "style". Two very different things.
3) That amazon link is an alternative rock search and Oasis is bound to appear on it. It doesn't prove a thing. Amazon really isn't considered definitive.
4) Myspace definitely does not meet WP:RS.
5) Rock is an umbrella term that removes POV. The BritPop genre is there because Oasis and Blur existed (and began) that particular genre movement.
If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Thanks. ScarianCall me Pat 20:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Alternative rock definitely applies to Oasis, but I personally don't put it in the infobox because Britpop (a subgenre of alternative rock) is specific enough, and Oasis is a fairly traditionalist rock band, particularly in comparison to most major alt-rock bands. But yeah, Oasis are alternative rock. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

BRITPOP ISN'T SUBGENRE OF ALTERNATIVE ROCK, NEITHER INDIE ROCK ARE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.180.175.26 (talk) 03:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes they are. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] That big band member graph diagram thing

Does anybody else think its cumbersome and unnecessary? Oasis' band member history is hardly on of the most complicated, and it isn't really that hard to figure who replaced whom at what instrument. Besides these changes aren't that important are they? Oasis are dominated by the Gallagher bros. indopug (talk) 17:04, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics

Does anyone know a website with Oasis' right lyrics? Sometimes it's not easy to find lyrics with no mistakes in Internet. Pabletex (talk) 00:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)



[edit] Where's the disambiguation link?

Not everyone is searching for THIS "Oasis", you know?

And yes, one could find the information even without disambiguation pages (I hope!)...

Or one could also simply go back to printed encyclopedias... which might not be a bad idea, after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.65.51 (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Be HEre Now Page

Someone has edited the Be here now page for the better with citacions for the album sales and chart positions. This needs to be done on all oasis album pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.126.14 (talk) 10:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)