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[edit] Improvement drive

National Football League is currently a candidate on WP:IDRIVE. Vote for it if you are interested!--Fenice 20:39, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Language Flagship Station

My source for KZSF in San Jose as the team's Spanish language flagship station is the Raiders' website itself. I don't speak Spanish, so it's a bit trying for me to find my way around, but the link is La Cadena Radial en Español. XEXX, as one can tell from the "X" that begins its callsign, is located in Mexico, most likely Tijuana, BC. The station markets itself as a San Diego station, but the transmitter has to be in Baja California. I suspect this was the Spanish flagship station when the Raiders were based in Los Angeles, but am not sure. The Spanish network stretches from Sacramento (KCFA) in the North to Bakersfield (KAFY) in the South. (Uncle Al UTC 05:34 17 January 2006.)

[edit] Rivalries

If the Seahawks are no longer a rival, why list them? Especially if (as claimed) the rivalry was only in the mind of Seahawk fans? --Cholmes75 03:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. (Uncle Al UTC 05:38 22 January 2006.)

The Patriots/Raiders rivalry have been going on longer than the "Tuck Rule" game. Though they were both original AFL teams, it came to fruition with the 1976 Playoff Game where Oakland benefitted from a 'roughing the passer' penalty. It intensified when Darryl Stingley. a popular and talented receiver for the Patriots, was hit by Raiders Defensive Back Jack Tatum 1978 and crippled for life. -- Tom Restivo 00:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, since no one has raised an objection in more than a year, I'm removing the Seahawks from the list of rivals. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 15:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I object to taking out the Seattle Seahawks from our list of rivals. For 25 years, Seattle was an intense divisional rival in the AFC West. We played many memorable games. I would also like to point out that the Raider/Seahawk rivalry is listed in the wikipedia article titled Significant rivalries in the NFL. I can't find much concrete information to back up the claim I'm about to make, frankly with rivalries it's all about perspective, but the rivalry is alive and well--OAKLACLAAANAUSCFAN 00:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

  • As long as you can cite good sources, the info can be re-added. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 04:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Celebrity Fan

Hey guys, just wandering if it is appropriate to mention that James Hetfield (Metallica) is a die-hard raiders fan. Regards. Kaiser23 01:42, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

  • And how is that appropriate? I do not see any sport team articles here on Wikipedia that lists "famous celebrity fans"? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
    • "The team is renowned for the fanbase of famous celebrities, such as musicians and movie stars who attend its games. However, its most avid fans are actor Jack Nicholson and the California-based popular funk-rock band Red Hot Chili Peppers who attend every game. There's even a rumor that singer Anthony Kiedis and bassist Flea attend even the preseason games as a measure of their dedication to the team, and American Idol 4 winner Carrie Underwood has announced that she is an avid fan. The song "Magic Johnson", a tribute to the Showtime Lakers, can be found on the Red Hot Chili Peppers' album Mother's Milk." (About the LA Lakers...) Kaiser23 16:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Ok. Probably the best place to mention Hetfield is under the "Raider Nation" section. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Sorry man didn't want to look cocky or something, but i think its interesting for some people to see trivia like that.Kaiser23 21:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I think listing celebrity fans under "Raider Nation" is fine. Don't forget James Garner, who was a fixture on the sidelines back in the '80s. --Cholmes75 14:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Retired Numbers

Wasn't one reason for no retiring of numbers the fact that there were too many great players on the team? 67.188.172.165 17:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

sure. Chud50 04:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Not really, Al Davis said in the book, "The Black Knight" that he is against retiring numbers because you can honor great players by wearing their numbers too.--BrianZ(talk) 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warren Powers

The link goes to the former University of Missouri football coach, not the Oakland Raider.

[edit] Vandalism

There is a line at the beginning of the article about how "the Raiders suck and always will" although badly misspelled. Regardless of whether the Raiders suck or not (I'm from Baltimore  ;-) ) The line should be removed. Problem is, I can't seem to find the text when I go to the edit page. Also recommend that it be protected to prevent further vandalism. Hopefully someone will jump in and fix this. Happy Holidays!

First, a note to all the vandals continually saying that Oakland sucks: 1( It CAN'T be that fun to write a page that we'll revert in five minutes, so knock it off and 2( Watch Detroit and all these feelings will evaporate. If you don't cease, I second the motion of protecting this page.SuperToad64 02:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Please don't make vandalism the article. I had to search the lastest good copy in the historial to paste there.

If you hate the Raiders, say all you want here in Discussion but don't ruin the article. Thank you. --201.212.226.19 05:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism again, I don't know the link to the player helmet so I can't fix it. I suggest moving to protected Vorrion 11:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

  • The level of vandalism probably isn't high enough to warrant semi-protection. I have this article on my Watchlist and keep a pretty close eye on it. If it gets worse I'll put in a request for protection. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 14:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other notable alumni

Hey I love the Raiders, but I think the "Other notable alumni" list is way too long. I mean, Marcus Knight? Seriously? This list needs a major pruning. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 19:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Flores

I don't understand the statement "Tom Flores (is) widely considered the first Hispanic head coach in the history of the NFL." Is their some controversy about his being hispanic? Or are their other potential first ones? Some clarification on that would be nice. Thedoorhinge 18:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination on hold

As much as I don't like the Raiders, I think this article is very well done with an excellent usage of sources and inline citations. However, there are a few more things I think that need to be fixed before I pass it.

  • In the intro - "Under head coach Bill Callahan, Oakland faced Gruden's Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Super Bowl XXXVII, where they lost a lopsided affair." I think you should edit this statement and use different phrasing than lopsided affair. (the same phrasing is used again in third paragraph of the Move to Los Angeles (1982–1994) section)
    Done. cholmes75 (chit chat) 12:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • These images need fair use rationales: Image:Oakland Raiders helmet rightface.png & Image:OaklandRaiders 100.png. If you can, add some more images such as current coach/stadium/players.
    Done (the logos). I have searched for free use images of players/coaches, but have been unable to find any. I didn't want to just start grabbing copyrighted photos and using them, unless it becomes absolutely necessary. cholmes75 (chit chat) 13:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Fix this statement to reword it to remove one of the expansion teams: "A few months after the first AFL draft in 1959, the owners of the yet-unnamed Minneapolis expansion team accepted an offer to join the established National Football League as an expansion team..."
    Done. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 12:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Go through the article and fix all of the inline citations' locations. Make sure they are directly after the punctuation (no spaces and right after periods, commas, etc.)
    Done, but if I missed any please let me know. cholmes75 (chit chat) 13:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • In the Ownership Structure section, combine these two sentences into one: "The younger McGah was himself a part owner of the team, as a limited partner. He died in 2002."
    Done. cholmes75 (chit chat) 13:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • In the Legal battles section, fix the final bullet so the teams that are mentioned matched up with what is included in the next sentence: "The Raiders sued the Carolina Panthers and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for infringing upon key trademark elements of the Raiders' brand, including the Buccaneers' pirate logo and the Panthers' silver and black color scheme. The Raiders wanted the court to bar the Buccaneers and Panthers from wearing their uniforms while playing in California." Set it to: "The Raiders sued the Carolina Panthers and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for infringing upon key trademark elements of the Raiders' brand, including the Panthers' silver and black color scheme and the Buccaneers' pirate logo. The Raiders wanted the court to bar the Panthers and Buccaneers from wearing their uniforms while playing in California."
    Done. cholmes75 (chit chat) 13:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • In the Historic rivals section for the Patriots, the fourth sentence begins with "In it,...", change that to "In that game/the game,...".
    Done. cholmes75 (chit chat) 13:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
    • This is a side note, but for the separate Raider Nation section, a picture should be included, perhaps the same one from this article so at least one image is there.
      Done. cholmes75 (chit chat) 13:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Fix redirects for the links in the See also section.
    Done. cholmes75 (chit chat) 12:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • If possible, remove some of the duplicate templates at the end of the article.
    Done, although I'm not sure what happened there. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 12:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

This may seem like a lot, but should be relatively easy things to fix. I'm going to put the article on hold for right now for seven days, and if they are not fixed by then, then I will fail the article. Once these are fixed or if you have any questions let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Keep up the good work, this article is very well done. --Nehrams2020 07:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

Good job on fixing those suggestions so quickly, and after reviewing the criteria for GA I will pass this article as a GA. Make sure to keep the page up to date with the same quality and always add new information with sources. This was the first GA I passed out of about five articles I've reviewed, and it deserves it. Good job to all of the editors who contributed to this article. Now I need to go check my temperature, since I just passed an Oakland Raider article. I hope my family doesn't renounce me. Just kidding. Seriously consider a peer review and FAC when you get the chance. --Nehrams2020 18:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The Raiders are struggling with ticket sales, but this biography should explain that the reason the Raiders and Al Davis still can make enough money is that their merchandise sales have been #1 for a while now I believe. At least in the past few years. I think people wonder sometimes how NFL teams make money and stay afloat or pay 1st round draft picks over 60 million dollars when ticket sales are at the bottom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.172.189 (talk) 08:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Perhaps a tip?

Congrats on getting the GA passed, a task that only two other NFL Team articles have done. Though this article is well-written and organized, perhaps it would be a good idea to put the season-by-season results on another page, similar to how the Chicago Bears and New England Patriots' articles did. They also did the same thing with the history section - keeping a brief but informative version on the main page, and then a detailed version on another satellite page. I hope those this helps. Good luck on getting an FA-Status soon. :) --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  17:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article on "Raider Nation" Link in See Also Section?

I had added the "Raider Nation" article link in the See Also section and somebody has deleted it. I know same may argue that there is already a link for it else where in the Oakland Raiders article but almost all the other things listed in the See Also section also already have links in this article. IMHO I don't see why the Raider Nation link can't be there if there are links for the "Heidi Game" and "Mount Davis" listed there as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beowulf78 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

  • Not only is there already a link for it, there is an entire subsection. It's redundant. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 03:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You do have a point cholmes75, it already does have its own subsection. I guess I just wanted the Raider Nation article to get as much exposure and traffic as possible. As a Raider fan myself, I want emphasize the large and far flung fanbase of this team.

[edit] Vandalism

Article starts with "The Oakland Raiders are gay and like to see each other from "da back" according to Al davis". Obvious case of vandalism, page needs to be more protected as this is not the first time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.127.128.2 (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] What a MESS!

This is a "good article?" No way! The first chapter is "1963: Al Davis comes to town." That's the first chapter? That was the THIRD YEAR of the team's existance! There's no mention at all of how the franchise came into existance (original AFL franchise awarded to Minnesota Vikings, who then decided to join the NFL instead, so the AFL reassigned its final charter franchise to Oakland). The brief synopsis before the table of contents has grown into almost a full article in itself. Don't even get me started on the grammer, spelling, and syntax.

With all due respect (which isn't much), this is the kind of article I'd expect from Raiders fans. I'm going to recommend this article for review, it needs some serious cleaning up if it's going to keep its "good article" designation. Do I plan to clean it up? Nope...Raiders fans, that's your job.

Gotham, it's obvious you're biased against the Raiders and their fans. Go ahead and do what you wish though. Just remember, you must earn respect and I lost respect for you by your piss poor attitude. How can I take your comment as anything other than pure "haterism" when you put it like you do? BrianZ(talk) 17:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Oh and here's a tip for Gotham - next time you want to criticize the grammar in an article, try spelling "grammar" and "existence" correctly. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 04:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pop culture section

I removed some of the pop culture info as its trivial, there has to be some more prominent cultural representations of the team, if not just integrate the remaining info or re-name the section. Quadzilla99 01:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

In a 1992 episode of the American animated sitcom The Simpsons ("Lisa the Greek"), Lisa Simpson picks the Raiders to win a game because "they always cheat." The Raiders end up winning after "an extremely suspicious play."[1]
The 1996 feature film That Thing You Do! features a character named Villapiano. The character and his pizza restaurant (Villapiano's) are named after former Raiders linebacker Phil Villapiano. Tom Hanks, who wrote and directed the film, is a Raiders fan.[2]
An episode of the FOX television series Sliders ("The Prince of Wails") featured an alternate universe where the British won the American Revolutionary War, and although San Francisco was still a large city, Oakland was still an undeveloped, forested area (with the same geographical name). A militia of American freedom fighters based in the region took the name "The Oakland Raiders."[3]
  • Trivial in whose view? It obviously wasn't too trivial for the reviewers who named this a Good Article. I'm all for bold editing, but I would advise you to bring issues like these up on article talk pages before removing a whole section. I'm going to place the content back, and would like to hear the opinions of others as well. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 04:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
    • I would advise you to see WP:BOLD and too look edits over more carefully, I didn't remove an entire section, I removed the trivia from a section. Those are extremely trivial references The Simpsons has over 400 episodes—they've mentioned everything on there, a mention there is non-notable, Sliders is a largely unknown show that lasted a couple of seasons and had low ratings, and the Villapiano tidbit really belongs in his article (maybe), its all trivia pure and simple. Quadzilla99 07:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Back to LA?

Could be happening, at least according to this article: http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/STP43FAN/90332

  • That's not even an article, it's a rumor in a blog. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 14:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Walt Harris

I read the Los Angeles Times sport section sometime in June and found out that the Raiders signed Harris. Can somebody please verify this? 216.165.236.141 17:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

  • If only there was a way to verify this. Unfortunately, nobody has invented an Internet yet where information like this can be verified. Someday, perhaps, but sadly, not yet. BayRadioDJ 20:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The 1960 Season

I have added some detail to the 1960 season information, including the addition of the Raiders first local radio station (KNBC, which became KNBR) and broadcasters (Bud Foster and Mel Venter), and correcting an oft-repeated error that the team played all of their home games at Kezar Stadium in San Francisco during their first season.

For whatever reason, somewhere around 1967 the Raiders press information began omitting references to the team having played the final three games of 1960 at then-new Candlestick Park, not Kezar. This came about through the intervention of Charles Harney, a partner in the Raiders ownership -- who also happened to be the builder of Candlestick.

Even though the 1960 games were played in December, the field was kept in the baseball configuration, with the dirt infield "skin" left in place. Photographs of the games played there in 1960 show a largely empty stadium.

(Links to images of the Oakland Tribune articles are included in footnotes 10, 11 and 12 of the main Oakland Raiders article.)

Scotty Stirling, who later became the Raiders general manager, covered the team for the Oakland Tribune in 1960. He subsequently teamed with the great Bill King as color analyst on Raider radiocasts in the early 1970s. Bill King, coincidentally, became the voice of the Raiders in 1966; his first partner on the KNEW/910 broadcasts was (Fred) Van Amburg, better known for his later work with Jerry Jensen on Channel 7 News Scene.

A 1967 photograph of Bill King and Van Amburg and an article regarding the Raiders/Metromedia Radio Network appears on the Bay Area Radio Museum website:

http://www.sfradiomuseum.com/sports/raiders_bill-king_van-amburg_1967.shtml

BayRadioDJ 20:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BALCO and doping

I cannot believe this is missing in the article. Quite a number of players were on the list of clients, including Bill Romanowski, Tyrone Wheatley, Barrett Robbins, Chris Cooper and Dana Stubblefield. Barcovelero 02:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Raiders/Chiefs

Raiders one the last game, therefore beating the 9 game loss to Chiers. (11-25-07) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.175.38.28 (talk) 00:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:RaidersScript.png

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[edit] Alternate uniform not shown?

Well, the Raiders does have a alternate uniform (all silver with black socks), and it should be shown. --Louis Alberto Guel 16:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Raiders are not the worst team!

Unless there are some facts and statistics, please change the first line of the page, because historically the Chargers are worse overall (less Superbowl appearances, less rings, same amount of time in). Please correct!!! Jright2010 (talk) 18:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Relax, it was just a vandal. The Raiders are one of the most successful franchises in NFL history, five Super Bowl appearances, three wins, what more needs to be said? faithless (speak) 06:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Black Hole

Hey i'm new to Wikipedia so sorry if this is posted in the wrong area. I just wanted to say that under the Raider Nation section it says the Black Hole is sections 104, 105, 106 and 107. This is not true. The Black Hole is section 105, and really only the first couple rows of section 105. I've been sitting in the Hole since it started, and I know this is true. The banner is along the wall of 105, and the fans who sit in the first few rows of 105 are affiliated with the Black Hole. Sections 103, 104, 106 and 107 are often known as being part of the Black Hole to sell tickets, but they are just the surrounding sections.

Also, I posted some links to some popular Raider fan sites on the internet that were taken off. I wasn't trying to get hits for these sites, I was just trying to help fellow Raider fans find websites that they might find interesting. Each website I posted is a quality site. If possible please review these sites and see if it would be alright to post them.