Talk:O'Donnell
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[edit] International biographies
There are currently four figures carrying the name "O'Donnell" who do not have biographies in English (Guillermo; Joseph Heinrich; Karl and Maximilian Karl Lamoral), although they do have entries in other languages which are linked to this article.
Unfortunately I can't translate enough of these articles to provide English-language versions of them. If anyone can translate German or Spanish, could they possibly create Wiki articles for these figures in English? And does anyone know what "Graf von Tyrconnel" means? Preacherdoc 17:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have added a new article, more detailed than the German one, and with a pic of Count (Graf) Maximilian Karl Lamoral O'Donnell von Tyrconnell. Enjoy. Seneschally 07:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
"Graf von Tyrconnell" means Count of Tyrconnell, in German. Tricky 16:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alternative coat of arms?
Does anyone know the background of the "alternative" coat of arms? The is about the only place in the world I have seen it. Is it legit? 203.41.250.147 15:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- Agree. I have never seen it anywhere else and question its legitimacy.Preacherdoc 20:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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- According to the Seneschal of Tyrconnell, the so-called "alternative arms" are legitimate. But note: there are several variants of the original O'Donnell arms, bearing variations with a cross, registered in Dublin, Vienna, and Madrid. However, the "alternative" in question here belongs to O'Donnell of Trough, an offshoot of the O'Donnells of Tyrconnell, who descend from Toirdhealbhach an Fhiona, who died in 1423, and whose descendant Hugo O'Donnell, settled in Limerick, and died c. 1610. The arms are: Sable two lions rampant combatant, in chief a sinister hand appaumee, coupled at the wrist between two mullets, and in base a mullet all argent. The crest is: out of a ducal crest coronet or, a naked arm embowed grasping a dart all ppr. Motto: In Hoc Signo Vinces. The origins and pedigree of this family, who owned Trough (Truagh) Castle in County Clare, are documented in the College of Arms in London, and are also described in The Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry of Ireland, page 533, by Sir Bernard Burke (1958 ed.), available under call number IR 929725 B3 in the National Library of Ireland, Kildare Street, Dublin 2. It should be added that these variants are not "alternatives" as each differentiation belongs uniquely to an individual armiger and his direct inheriting descendant. They are not "clan" arms and cannot be legally used by anyone else. Seneschally 20:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] A bit of gratitude (not spam)
Thanks to the creator(s) of this article. This is what wikipedia is about. I don't know how I would learn about the O'Donnells in such a short time without it. The article is important to those interested in their heritage. (71.172.21.160 01:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Sources
The first chieftain of mark in the family was Goffraidh (Godfrey, called after Godfrey de Bouillon, 1st Crusader ruler or proto-King of Jerusalem), son of Dónall Dónall Mór Ó Dónaill (d. 1241). He rapidly came to power, with the initial support of the Norman FitzGeralds, in the aftermath of the suppression of the Cathars in France in 1244. Later, the O'Donnell rulers aided Templar knights fleeing to Scotland via Tyrconnell and Sligo, where a Templar priory existed at Ballymote [1], a Percival family estate for the last 300 years. The O'Donnell King of Tyrconnell became known as the Fisher-King, on the Continent, ostensibly due to the export of fish traded for wine in La Rochelle.
Seems very relevant,
It reeks of a nonsense scam about a priory of Sion, grail, Jesus' son etc. Not very reliable sources —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.217.76 (talk) 15:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
