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[edit] Ivan Vladislavovich Zholtovsky

Really nice work on expanding Ivan Vladislavovich Zholtovsky. I moved the images about to fix some display problems on my browser, please revert if they're not to your taste. regards --Mcginnly | Natter 19:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gornosta(y)ev

Hello. Shouldn't Gornostaev be moved to Gornostayev per WP:RUS ? - Darwinek 14:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Beats me! Isn't it time to change my travel passport (it's -EV sans Y)... Anyway, it's better than Goronostaev as the name first appeared in wiki NVO 18:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greeks on the Baltic

Here's a Greek temple on the Baltic (probably the earliest of them). --Ghirla-трёп- 14:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Here's a Greek temple on the Baltic (probably the earliest of them). --Ghirla-трёп- 14:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, would you be interested in writing a section on the Baltic Greek revival for Greek Revival architecture? Its a clear lack on that page and I suspect you'd have access to Russian language studies I don't. If you do decide to perhaps you could mention Finnish and Lithuanian work besides the Russians, no need to go into great depth though. Twospoonfuls 20:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, don't know much on the subject. There wasn't much of true Greek anywhere in Russian empire, it jumped right from Baroque into early Empire. Probably, some follies around St.Petersburg.NVO 20:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
There is quite a bit of Doric architecture from the Alexandrian Empire often (mis)identified as Empire style. I'm thinking of Voronikhin's Academy of Mines, SP, Zakharov's New Admiralty, Stasov's Moscow Gate. Not to mention Helsinki and Warsaw. But if you're not into it that fine, just thought I'd ask. Twospoonfuls 15:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Then it's a matter of definitions. Personally, I wouldn't ever place the Admiralty on the Greek list. Or maybe it's muscovite blindness: everything before 1812 has burned to hell, history starts with Empire :)). P.S. this , this and this is Voroniknin, too. Not Andrei Voronikhin, but his nepnew Nikolai Ilyich. This design recreated Andrei Voronikhin'd unbuilt plan for Christ the Saviour. And they said Thon was bad... NVO 19:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arbat District

Hi there! Seeing that you added an infobox to the article on Arbat District, I just want to let you know that we have the {{Infobox Russian district}} template, which allows for standard formatting of district information. It's mainly intended for articles about raions, but I don't see why it wouldn't work for Moscow districts as well. It is also well-documented, but let me know if you have questions about how to use it. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Esoteric indeed, take a look here User:NVO/draft5. Objections:
  • Shouldn't be two pages tall!
  • Should be able to hide unused line captions
  • "Population per km2" should be rounded to hundreds (?) anyway, a figure like "13,749.1 inhab. / km²" is odd given that 2002 population is divided by 2007 area (area changes, too).
  • 2002 census? ok if no other data available, however, central Moscow districts provide far lower numbers for current (01/01/2006 or better) estimates (and are completely right about it, give or take a few thousands) i.e. here [1] - 86,300 instead of 109,993 in 2002.--NVO 16:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Optional lines of the template are in fact supressed when no data are available. But, lines which really should be filled out are not suppressed, so readers have an idea of which important information is missing. Like I said, however, the template is intended to be used in articles about districts of the federal subjects other than federal cities. Looking at your draft, it may indeed not be a good fit for Moscow (and possibly Saint Petersburg) after all. I'll take a closer look later today or tomorrow to see whether it'll be easier to tweak the existing template so it accomodates the needs of the Moscow districts, or to develop a whole new one for federal cities' divisions. If you have ideas, I'll be happy to hear them.
  • 2002 Census figures are used not because more recent data are unavailable, but because templates must use a common base for comparison. The Census numbers were obtained at the same time using the same methodology; same cannot be said about various estimates (which are often really hard to reference, too). The idea was to put 2002 Census figures (and the rankings derived from them) in the infobox, and more recent figures (when such are available) in the body of the article.
  • A good point about 2002 population being divided by 2007 area. That is potentially a problem; one that I overlooked. Not sure how to handle this best, considering what I said above about the 2002 Census.
  • The population density is given with .1 precision because it is not uncommon for vast districts with small populations (such as in the Sakha Republic, for example) to have density of .1–.4. Extra precision digit prevents them from being displayed as plain zero. Now that you mention the percieved oddity, I'll probably just tweak this field so it would display with .1 precision for densities below, say, 100, and whole integers for densities of 100 and above. Explicitly adding a parameter to indicate desired precision is an option, too, but in my view that would just add unnecessary complexity to an already complex template.
Please let me know if you have further concerns. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander Bashilov

Alexander Bashilov - I've made this page in Russian. Welcome to the Napoleonic Wars Project in ru_wikipedia--Arachn0 09:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ☆

The Working Man's Barnstar
For all your hard work on numerous articles about the city of Moscow, I Ghirla award you this barnstar. --Ghirla-трёп- 18:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Where have you disappeared? Your work is appreciated. --Ghirla-трёп- 14:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 16 June 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article June 29, 1904 tornado in Russia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 16:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A request

Hello NVO, you have done such phenomenal work on articles about Russian architecture and architects, I was wondering if you have anything to add or to correct on the article about VKhUTEMAS. I did some research and expanded it somewhat last week, I have more that I could add but wanted to ask you first while I take a break. If you have access to the Khan-Magomedov book on the subject, that would be an excellent reference, however, I imagine there is information about this in some of his other books. Unfortunately, I don't have access to any of his works at the moment, sigh. I don't know if you want to turn your attention to expanding this article or not, but I'd really like to see what you add. Regards, D. Recorder 07:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll see to this - although the topic is too big and probably controversial, since many notions of art are interpreted in Russian and English completely different (i.e. Melnikov in Russian is not a constructivist, but on the contrary an opponent of constructivism, etc.). I'm not always aware of these differences and the ways to circumvent them. NVO 18:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Please do NVO, I'm glad you seem interested. A big topic says to me that there is more source material for the article, and any controversy can be included in the article in an npov way. You raise a good point about Melnikov, and any of the other individuals at the school, who were geniuses in their own right- and that is that an article in terms of schools and movements can easily overlook individual contributions. So we need to included more information discussing more of the individuals' roles. It would also be good to clarify the organization of the school and describe its qualities when it was VKhUTEIN.
I have more that I can add, and some points that I need to touch up, I'm happy you will contribute to it also. I'm also going to ask Owenhatherley, I think he's on holiday at the moment. One question I keep wondering is where VKhUTEMAS was housed. Do you know where the VKhUTEMAS campus was? If they were separate studios in separate buildings, maybe we can find out where they each were and make a map. I already found one of OBMAS but any more historical pictures at the school to illustrate the article would be beneficial. Regards, D. Recorder 01:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Main site was at 21, Myasnitskaya Street (Yushkov House, 55°45'51"N 37°38'9"E - it's a whole bunch of listed historical houses). Architectural classes - in present-day Architectural Institute (11, Rozhdestvenka) NVO 04:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks NVO, please continue but use plenty of inline cites, if you can add two or three per paragraph you added that would be ideal. I can't find much information on Zholtovsky at Vkhutemas in English sources - as I know Vkhutemas from English sources I know it for avant-garde ideas not as much for neoclassicism. But if neoclassicism is evident in the Russian sources it should be represented in the article. So please add more refs, Russian sources would be fine maybe even optimal since this is about a Russian school, and again thanks. Regards, D. Recorder 03:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Асtually, it all boils down to one comprehensive source: Селим Омарович Хан-Магомедов, ВХУТЕМАС, 2 кн., М. Ладья 1995, second edition 2000, ISBN 5-7068-0085-5. When I read the english wiki article I realized that some paragraphs seem quite familiar. They were, in fact, abstracts from Khan-Magomedov's shorter essays which are, in turn, abstracts from his big book. One author completely dominates Russian scene and his opinion is reproduced by English authors. The paragraph about Zholtovsky, is from Khan-Magomedov's short foreword to his 100 masterpieces (ISBN 5-354-00892-1); it is biased, but it's all I can find. NVO 07:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello again NVO, I have a few questions. One is, do you think we should change the instances of Vkhutemas to lowercase in the article and its title? Most sources I find on this use lowercase, such as the Great Soviet Encyclopedia and various English text books. Is that true also with Khan-Magomedov? And the other question is, can you please add the text related to Melnikov's studio? I thought it was 'New Academy' (Ru:Новая Академия) but you wrote 'Experimental Workshop' and I can't find any information on this, and not enough on New Academy to write a section on it. Is Experimental Workshop related to the 'psychotechnical laboratories' run by Ladovsky? I can add more information on them later but want to focus my next additions on the art and industrial design departments and not on architecture, as we have a very good coverage of architecture so far. Many thanks. Regards, D. Recorder 20:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification

Hello NVO, sorry to keep bothering you with this, but I was wondering if you could clarify a couple of things on Talk:Vkhutemas. Many thanks, D. Recorder 18:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vkhutemas FAC

Hey NVO, I submitted Vkhutemas to FAC as you may have noticed. I find FAC to be one of those quintessential Wikipedia experiences, I hope you enjoy it too, since you also contributed to this article. Comment here if you like [2]. A reviewer commented that the part when "Melnikov quit Vkhutemas" after the workshops were merged needed more explanation. I borrowed that part of the paragraph from your article on Melnikov, so I thought you may be able to elaborate on it. Kind regards, D. Recorder 19:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moscow Orphanage

Updated DYK query On 13 August 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Moscow Orphanage, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 17:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An award

A Kremlin star
Awarded to NVO for answering various questions and helping to write the article Vkhutemas which has since become a featured article. D. Recorder 21:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your Photos

Hello NVO. I'm working on a book to be published next year, and I'd like to use some of your photos of Russian architecture, especially the '20s work. Would that be OK? Do you want me to credit you in full, if so? Do let me know, thanks, Owenhatherley 19:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

OK. Contact me at klausmobile@yahoo.com if you need original high res files. NVO (talk) 09:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bolshoy Kamenny Bridge

Your edit mentioning Filaret is discussed at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page#Correcting misinformation. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:26, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I replied at User talk:Everbrite, but it appears that he made a single remark on New contributors... and disappeared. NVO (talk) 19:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes. The monk Filaret is sourced so let's keep that. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Просьба

Все-таки не покидайте, пожалуйста ru-раздел. Ваш вклад там очень важен и не для админов/не-админов-удалистов/неудалистов, а прежде всего для потенциальных читателей, многие из которых Ваши статьи в en-разделе просто не смогут прочесть, а в книги не полезут :( --MaryannaNesina (talk) 21:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Присоединяюсь к просьбе Марианны. Я сейчас, к сожалению, малоактивен в Википедии и как-то пропустил конфликт, вызвавший Ваш уход из ру-вики. Но мне кажется, что подход "обзвать всех мудаками и уйти, хлопнув дверью" контрпродуктивен сразу по нескольким причинам: во-первых, это ослабление той точки зрения, которую Вы отстаивали - т.к. у неё стало меньше сторонников, во-вторых - если Ваша оценка оппонентов была справедливой - процентное соотношение "адекватных" и "неадекватных" участников изменится не в пользу первых. В-третьих, отказ от дискуссии в стиле "злые Вы, уйду я от Вас" в первую очередь характеризует самого дискутанта, и только потом - его оппонентов (сколь бы злыми и неадекватными они ни были). Кроме того, особенность Википедии в том, что совершенно не обязательно (и даже вредно) "упираться" в дискуссию с конкретным оппонентом - если по каким-то причинам диалог с отдельно взятым участником кажется невозможным или бесперспективным, всегда можно обратиться к сообществу (в лице других участников или путём привлечения внимания сообщества в целом). Если Ваше дело - "правое" - то консенсус будет скорее всего на Вашей стороне. Если нет - ну, с этим приходится мириться (иногда - временно, подождав до того момента, когда сообщество в целом ещё "повзрослеет"). И последне - нет ничего зазорного в том, чтобы привлекать внимание других участников к конфликтам, в которые (иногда и не по своей воле) оказываешься втянут: возможно, поддержат как раз Вас, и уж точно - это перестанет быть "личным делом" (каковым оно никогда и не должно являться), и не будет необходимости переходить на обидные эпитеты со всеми вытекающими недоразумениями. С уважением, и надждой на Ваше возвращение, Kaganer (talk) 08:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

По существу: не верю и не хочу. По форме - наверное, лучше на http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NVO, там я бываю куда чаще. NVO (talk) 10:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question about Povarskaya Street

Is is possible to find out who lived on Povarskaya 28 flat 8 in 1925? Thank you

Mozhno li uznat' kto zhil po adresy Povarskaya 28 kv. 8 v 1925 godu?

Spasibo!

Boris

boris@bfcollection.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.59.113 (talk) 20:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Hard to tell without diving into archives. NVO (talk) 19:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Found one - [[3]] - Игнатовский Юрий Николаевич. Род.1892, Херсонская губ., русский, б/п, обр.среднее, архивариус «Трансстроя», прож.: г.Москва, ул.Воровского, 28-8. Арест. 24.10.1929. Двигубский Г.Н., Двигубский В.Н., Тименков С.И., Раздеришин Б.А., Игнатовский Ю.Н. приговорены Коллегией ОГПУ 3.03.1930, обв.: антисоветская и террористическая деятельность. Расстреляны 6.03.1930. Реабилитированы 18.04.1957. - assuming 28-8 indeed means apt. #8. NVO (talk) 04:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conclusion: Image placeholders centralized discussion

Hi. I'm sending this to you because you participated in the Centralized discussion on image placeholders that ended on 23 April.

That discussion must produce a conclusion.

We originally asked "Should the addition of this box [example right] be allowed? Does the placeholder system and graphic image need to be improved to satisfy policies and guidelines for inclusion? Is it appropriate to some kinds of biographies, but not to others?" (See introduction).

Conclusions to centralized discussions are either marked as 'policy', 'guideline', 'endorsed', 'rejected', 'no consensus', or 'no change' etc. We should now decide for this discussion.

Please read and approve or disapprove the section here: Conclusion --Kleinzach (talk) 10:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Photo use

Hello, I used three of your pictures in our online cityguide about Moscow: http://www.staedte-reisen.de/moskau/sightseeing/strassen http://www.staedte-reisen.de/moskau/unterkunft/hotelsgehoben http://www.staedte-reisen.de/moskau/sightseeing/museen

Hope you like it and the copyright is o.k.

Regards, Antonia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.227.110.96 (talk) 14:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

  • It is ok. :) NVO (talk) 23:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photos of diplomatic missions in Moscow

Hi NVO, I have recently reformatted List of diplomatic missions in Russia into table format, and have included a column for photos of the actual diplomatic mission in Moscow (and other Russian cities). As you can see from that article, many of your photos have been used, and I was wondering if it may be possible for you to take photos of the other diplomatic missions in Moscow on your travels. With your photos of the missions thus far they really do add to the article, and it would be great to have this article progress from a simple list, to a fully fledged article on the history of diplomatic missions in Russia, with the view of getting it to featured article quality. Is this something you may be able to collaborate on in the future? If needed, I can provide you with a complete list of the addresses in Moscow for reference. Of course, for myself, one of the most wanted photos is of the embassy at 109028, Москва, Подколокольный переулок, д. 10А/2, that of course being the Australian Embassy. If this is something you may be able to help with, I would like to hear from you. Пока. --Россавиа Диалог 08:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)