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Contents 1 U.S. bias (re: neutrality tag) 2 Catholic Preschools 3 Massive article changes? 4 preschool 5 Universal pre-school provision... 6 first paragraph 7 Merge with preschool education

[edit] U.S. bias (re: neutrality tag)

I don't have a problem with the contributors who added the U.S.-related information, nor with the information itself. However, the article *should* make clearer (a) Which parts are specifically discussing the U.S. definition of "nursery school", and (b) How the definition varies across the world.

I'd like to tidy the article up a bit, but I don't want to jump in with too many assumptions as to what the writers were discussing.

Fourohfour 14:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I have added a little bit of information and seperated the article into UK and USA, I can't comment on countries other than the UK as that is where my knowledge lies. I feel that the picture does not display the correct image - preschool/nursery is older children than the one shown I do not know how to get other images though.Lynnathon 21:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I have clarified the position in relation to the UK as the scottish education system is seperate to the rest of the country. I do feel that the detail and level of information included in the american section is unnecessary. --Brideshead 15:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages please go ahead Paul foord 16:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

In line with the BE BOLD mantra I have tried to reword the sections on the US so that it gives a system overview and allows others to see how the thing works. Somone with more knowedge could try to tidy up the first section. How does pre kindergarten and kindergarten work, are they compulsary and free? do most children use both? --Brideshead 16:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I added some intro & about daycare - preschool currently redirects here Paul foord 17:42, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catholic Preschools

Is this article the right one to write about Catholic preschools in, or should that go in the "Catholic School" article? I could see it going either way, and I don't want to put it in the wrong place. Lycanthrope777 19:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that depends on what you want to write about them. Are Catholic pre-schools significantly different from other pre-schools? If so there's probably value in writing about them here. If it's more about what types of Catholic institutions are available to people, that would seem more appropriate for the Catholic schools article. --Siobhan Hansa 10:57, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Their curriculum is different; they teach some basic prayers and the students are read to from children's books with religious themes. They also often watch religious videos to teach ideas. Also, some require uniforms and claim to be somehow "ahead" of other preschools (although these last things may not apply only to Catholic preschools). I would put this in, but I don't want to if it's going to offend people... Lycanthrope777 18:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Massive article changes?

Um... if someone looks over the log we have a very dedicated editor... User talk:69.117.20.128. Their edits start here and continue on up until the most current edit. I don't have a large problem with their edits... well other than changing the education stages box, but they just made like 18 edits in like less than 24hours. So if someone wants to check that over because I'm not impartial. MrMacMan 23:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] preschool

Nursery is not compulsary or statuatory education thus is categorised as pre-school in most areas. This reference here [1] shopws several instances of the use of pre-school terminology. --Brideshead 20:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

How can a nursery school be a preschool if preschool clearly means before school? Nursery school is clearly a school. A preschool is like a day care center or day nursery. Universal pre-school provision is the subject of some discussion internationally. I deleted this line because it has no citation. I put sources to my definitions of nursery school. Qualified teachers and professionals are the same thing. There’s no such word as non-statuatory. (69.117.20.128 - Talk)

In your small experience, nursery teachers and professionals are the same thing. In the real world, nurseries are usually staffed by a team of professionals; teachers, nursery nurses and support staff (I am a nursery teacher). non-statuatory, for those that graduated high school, means not legally necessary. Schooling is legally compulsary (statuatory) pre-school (nursery) is not, (non-statuatory). Nursery takes place before (pre) formal school (pre-school). I would urge you to remember that there is an entire world outside of America. --Brideshead 12:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you look at the article Alumnus? That article is very American like. They used the definition for America..Why can't this article have an American definition? it's the same thing...A team of professionals are qualified teachers. So are you saying that they aren't qualified teachers? Why do you always disagree with everything I say? You never compromise with me. All you do is try to get your own way. You never think about my side. I provided references..Why can't you ever understand what I say? You always argue with me for everything...just leave it...everyone else doesn't seem to have a problem...you'll the only one who has a problem. "In some jurisdictions the provision of nursery school services is on a user pays or limited basis while some governments fund nursery school services." This line already mentions the fact that nursery school is non-statuatory.

(69.117.20.128 - Talk)

[edit] Universal pre-school provision...

Universal pre-school provision is the subject of some discussion internationally. We cannot add this line if there is no citation. (69.117.20.128 - talk)

It's not personal; I care nothing for you or your opinions. I simply want wikipedia to be the best it can be. We obviously are interested in similar articles and very widely on our experience and interpretation. i am not going to "leave it" it's not about getting one's own way, see WP:OWN it's about improving an article; if I can make an article more neutral and unbiased then I will. It is bad practice to use dictionary definitions in this way see WP:WINAD. --Brideshead 12:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] first paragraph

"A nursery school is a school for children between the ages of three and five, staffed wholly or partly by qualified teachers who encourage and supervise educational play rather than simply providing childcare."

We should add this in the first paragraph instead. What's wrong with wholly or partly by qualified teachers? Most schools have teacher assistants...and they aren't qualified teachers. We don't need to add other professionals. If we add that, shouldn't we add custodians, secretaries, cafeteria workers, etc.? It doesn't make sense to add professionals. In a student's day, they only see their teachers, not other professionals. I think it's just confusing adding the other professionals part. When it says staffed, it is only saying the teaching staff. Professionals are not teachers. Please tell me what you think of this. (209.177.21.6 - talk)

The current phrasing is clearer and more accurate. There is no need to change it to the above suggestion. Nothing would be added. If you worked in nursery, you would be very aware of the input that the whole professional nursery team plays, more so than in main stage classes. There is no need for the change. --Brideshead 02:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with preschool education

These two topics both concern the daytime education options of 2-5 year old children; children that are no longer babies but have not reached the age of statutory education. The nursery school article is marked with a maintenance tag saying it does not present a world view; it seems UK-centric. On the other hand, the preschool education article seems to receive less attention, at least at first glance. A merge one way or another might be best. Comments? BigNate37_(T) 19:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the problem is that the preschool education article uses the American preschool spelling rather than the British pre-school spelling so it has only received attention from American editors. The existing preschool education article seems to be written entirely from an American perspective. It might perhaps be best to merge the existing pre-school article into the US section of the nursery school article. I suspect however that there will always be a need for some sort of rudimentary definition of pre-school education. Dahliarose 15:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)