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[edit] Previously in the Racism article

This article was removed to its own article for consistency. Hope this is OK. Wallie 18:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

hmmmm...how did the nuremberg laws affect the individual and their family member?

[edit] Needs more

There were actually 6 "Nuremburg Laws". They should be listed and described. --Zero 14:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

Nazi Nuremberg Laws → Nuremberg Laws … Rationale: Known generally simply as the Nuremberg Laws. Google only shows 300 hits for "Nazi Nuremberg Laws" outside of Wikipedia. -- Petri Krohn 01:35, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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  • Support; never read/heard these officially referred to with the "Nazi" prefix. Regards, David Kernow 01:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Gryffindor 16:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Septentrionalis 05:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 07:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3rd Law missing

T(Empire-Party-Convention(?)) of the NSDAP (or "Reichsparteitag der Freiheit" - Reichsparteitag of Freedom (Working Title)) were:

  • Gesetz zum Schutze des deutschen Blutes und der deutschen Ehre (Blutschutzgesetz) or Common: Nürnberber Rassegesetz(Nuremberg Race Law)
    • Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor (Blood-Protection-Law)
  • Reichsbürgergesetz
    • Empire-Citizenship-Law
  • Reichsflaggengesetz
    • Empire-Flags/Flag-Law ((...)flaggen(...) in this case is somehow ambiguous, better would have been Reichsbeflaggungsgesetz something like Empire-Flag-Usage-Law)

The 3rd one does not seem to be very expressive for "outer-germans" but it regulated the further usage of flags, an essential column of national identity. It ruled out the Repulic of Weimar german flag (the today's one) with the older Cesars-Empire-Flag (Black-White-Red) one wich correspondes with the One-Leader (Ein Führer) principle of a monarc and the colors of the NSDAP flag. It further regulated the enforced pair-usage with the NSDAP swastica flag if possible. outside of many Christian communities were able to hold those kinds of positions. I'm not sure if that’s entirely correct, however, I was led to believe there was a semi-factual basis for the exaggerated Nazi claims. The phrasing of that particular sentence is a bit off though. "certain" sounds a tad sinister. Little illy 13:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Text of laws

There are several problems with the article:
1. There is vandalism in section one of the first law.
2. The formatting of the page is odd - the contents box is placed between the introduction of the first law and its first article. Also, the heading of the first law is messed up.
3. Translations of the original text of the laws are given; however, the second section of the first law breaks form, and there is an additional comment in the fourth section with nothing to denote that it is not part of the text of the law.

The links at the bottom of this page each contain a translation of one of the laws; the second also has text of a supplemental decree from November 14, 1935. Perhaps useful... I hope that these issues can be dealt with - I myself am not familiar with Wikipedia formatting/editing guidelines, in particular for showing the text of a law (should there be quotes or something indicating that the text is a translation and not a summary?), but I can tell that there are some problems. 68.56.255.109 04:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC) I LOVE JOHNNY DEPP _

[edit] Religion vs. Ethnicity

Is it really fair to say, as the first paragraph read, that "race was determined by the religious observance of the grandparents?" This may make sense to Americans, but in Europe, "Hebrew" means a race, not a religion. How do you explain the term "secular Jews" or how can one explain that Hebrews from the Soviet Union, who, for the most part, did not practice "their" religion, were, and are, still considered ethnically Jewish. I dare anyone to say that Dimitri Mendeleev wasn't Jewish, just look at that last name, it's not Russian, I can tell you that! I speak from my own Slavic/Jewish background. —The preceding Ilya D. comment was added by 71.176.209.119 (talk) 01:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Sabotage alert

This article has been seriously compromised. See especially the section "Introduction and History". I am not an expert so I am not touching it, but someone should quickly repair the damage. Axel 00:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gleichsetzung des Judentums mit dem Islamismus durch Deutsche Staatschristen Bundesregierung Bundesinnenminister Wolfgang Schäuble CDU/CSU Bundestagsfraktion

  • "Die „größte und manifesteste Bedrohung“ für die Sicherheit Deutschlands ist, so Wolfgang Schäuble, weiterhin der islamistische Terrorismus"

194.66.226.95 (talk) 12:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Information

With all due respect, I feel that to attribute the following as part of the Nuremberg Laws is misleading: “Amongst other things the Nuremburg Laws banned Jews from working for the state or being employed as lawyers, doctors or journalists. Jews were prohibated from using hospitals and could not be educated past the age of 14. Jews were required to adopt a middle name: "Sara" for women and "Isaac" for men. Their identification cards were required to have a large "J" stamped on them. War memorials were to have Jewish names expunged. Even the lottery could not award winnings to Jews.[1]

Nazi allies in Europe were required to pass similar legislation.”

The source for the following list actually describes a series of anti-Semitic laws passed under the Third Reich between 1933-1939 [1] , and given that the fact that the phrase Nuremberg Laws is generally understood to refer to the laws passed by the Reichstag on September 15, 1935, it is rather misleading to attribute all of the following to the Nuremberg Laws. If my memory serves correctly, I believe that the requirement that a “J” be stamped on passports belonging to Jews was passed until 1938, and then only in diplomatic response to pressure from Switzerland, which wished to exclude German Jews from going to that country. Likewise, if my memory is serving me well, I believe that the requirement that German Jews adopt as their middle name “Isaac” or “Sara” was a measure passed in the autumn of 1941, a good six years after the Nuremberg Laws were passed. It was six years ago that I read an abbreviated version of Raul Hilberg’s monumental The Destruction of the European Jews, which is where I am taking this from, but when I have the time, I check up on this, and if I am correct, then I believe the above should be excluded. My understanding is that the Nuremberg Laws provided only for the banning of sexual relations and marriage between Germans classified as belonging to the “Aryan” race and the “Jewish” race, plus banning those as classified as “Jewish” from employing female servants.

Moreover, I feel the statement that “Nazi allies were required to pass similar legislation “ to be somewhat misleading. One may consider reading the article “The Origins and Development of Racial Anti-Semitism in Fascist Italy” pages 431-453 from Journal of Modern History, March 1977 by Gene Bernardini, which I think establishes fairly well that the anti-Semitic racial laws passed in Italy in 1938 were an indigenous measure that was NOT a response to German pressure. I think it would be better to say that the Nuremberg Laws were the inspiration for similar legislation as opposed to saying that such laws were a German import. Moreover, the popular belief that the Nuremberg Laws deprived German Jews of their citizenship may be mistaken. According to Hans Mommsen, that did not take place until 1938 [2] , and all that the Nuremberg Laws said, which was odious in its own right was deprive German Jews of the benefits of German citizenship. In saying all this, I do not mean to minimize the rather sick outlook that gave birth to such hateful laws, or the ultimately lethal consequences for the Jews of Europe of that worldview, but I think it fair to say that when talking of the Nuremberg Laws, we should be attributing to those laws only what they actually stated.--A.S. Brown (talk) 06:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)