Talk:Numismatics

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DEAR SIR/MADAM,

KNOWADAYS SOME COMPANIES MAKE ROUND MEDALS WITH HISTORICAL PEOPLE FACE ENGRAVED ON IT AND SALE/SELL IN THE NAME OF Numismatics WHICH IS TOTALLY CHEATING WHITE COLLAR CRIME.

THIS COMPANIES SELL THE ROUND MEDALS IN THE NAME OF COINS.

PRICE STRUCTURE METAL VALUE (GOLD.SILVER) SAY 100 USD AND THIS COMPANIES SELL AT 300 USD.

Numismatics = METAL COINS USED AS CURRENCY BEFORE DECADES AND ARE KNOW NOT IN USE AND RARE.


PLS PUT LIGHT ON THIS ISSUE AS THIS COMPANY IS TRADING WORLWIDE.

KIND REGARDS Mr YUSUF

I don't really know anything about numismatics, so I don't feel comfortable editting. From the introduction and the first section, I get the impression that it has to do with the physical representations of money. If that's the case, I would change "study of money" in the definition, to "study of currency". Brock

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[edit] Monies studied by numismatists

'Early money used by primitive people is referred to as "Odd and Curious", but the use of other goods in barter exchange is excluded, even where used as a circulating currency (e.g. prison cigarettes). '

I find this sentence odd and curious. Brock 06:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Market value of rare coins

It seems to me that this section is inappropriate under the topic of Numismatics as Numismatics is truly the study of coins and has nothing really to do with coin investment and the coin market per se. Most of the numismatic research going on out there has little to do with PCGS Graded Morgan Dollars, etc.

Maybe this should be split off into a different article or a new article in itself. --70.225.45.252 02:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Or maybe moved to coin collecting article.--Qwertypoiuy 14:41, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
It is also relevant only to collectors of coins from the United States - I have tagged it accordingly. Humansdorpie 08:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I NEED A LESSON ON KRUGERRANDS

My father who has passed away 3 years ago owed Krugerrands and sold them before he died, he took great steps in hiding these coins, would this be because any coins he had were from the 70's and 80's, and the law change in the 90's would not effect the older coins?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Starbuckwolf (talk • contribs)

[edit] Greek name

Why is this in the first sentence? Seems strangely biased. --jazzle 11:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

For those interested, here is a userbox to set up for placement on your userpage.

This user is interested in numismatics.

--PremKudvaTalk 05:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numismatics

Coin collecting started centuries ago before the Renaissance. Julius Emperor of the Roman Empire was a coin collector. Coin collecting is the hobby of Emperors, Kings, and Nobles. The article does not reflect any of this.--Margrave1206 02:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

"Coin collecting has existed since ancient times, it is know that Emperor Augustus as collected coins as did Julius Caesar. It is called the "Hobby of Kings" rising in great demand during the late Medieval period and the early Renaissance. In this period ancient coins were collect a great deal by European Kings and nobility." Straight from the article, under History of Numismatics. Joe I 02:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes I wrote that whole frist paragraph dealing with the collecting coins under history. I did way with the original paragraph, it stated coin collecting started in the 17th century. I also linked to pages for more proof.--Margrave1206 03:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Numismatic exchange

This is non profit!!! I want to promote numismatic exchange between wipedians, this in a non comercial activity, if you want to exchange banknotes and coins from w/w just post me a message, I can offer good coins and unc. banknotes from Cuba only for exchange, not for trade. KatKiller 08:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I have removed the following external links from the article for discussion here. Please read Wp:el#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. If any of these websites were used as references for the content of this article, please list them as references, not external links. --SueHay 23:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Numismatics and chronology

The coinage history has allegedly seen an “ancient dawn,” then the Dark Ages are supposed to have come, and later on the Renaissance epoch. It is assumed that between the VIII and XIII century a.d. all Roman golden coinage disappeared from Italy ([Cipolla, Carlo M.Money, Prices and Civilization in the Mediterranean World. 5-17 century. Princeton, Princeton Univ. Press, 1956.]). This strange effect is noticeable enough to have entered the names of chapters of certain monographs on history and numismatics, such as “The End of Roman Coinage (V century),” or “Imitation epoch (VI century)” ([Grierson, Philip. Monnaies du Moyen Âge. Fribourg, 1976.]). Let us pay close attention to the following information provided by specialists in numismatic history. It turns out that in the Middle Ages “the West of Europe did not try to compete with Byzantium and the Muslims in this respect. The idea of having regular gold coinage was given up, and most mints produced silver coins” ([Prices and Civilization in the Mediterranean World. 5-17 century.], page 20; [1435]). It is also said that “regular golden coinage had practically ceased in VIII-century Western Europe, and towards the end of the same century on the Italian peninsula as well. Even in Muslim Spain no golden coinage was minted between the beginning of the VIII century and the beginning of the X” ([Prices..], page 20). Numismatists attempt to give some sort of explanation to this mysterious “mediaeval gap” in coinage history. It is suggested that “gold coinage was ceased by an order issued by Pepin”. The council at Reims allegedly forbade the use of the golden solidi of imperial Rome, and the type of circulating coinage allegedly “became barbaric” in the VIII century ([The End of Roman Coinage ], page 151). Doesn’t this imply that the “ancient”Western European coinage is really mediaeval, minted after the XIV century a.d., and cast way back in time by Scaligerian chronology? Historians proceed to tell us that “there are no Papal coins from the time of Benedict VII (who died in the alleged year 984 a.d.) to that of Leo IX [allegedly the middle of the XI century] in existence; this is purely incidental, since the coinage must have existed, naturally… There is only one coin from the times of Leo IX… Even stranger is the fact that not a single coin remained from the times of Gregory VII” ([Gregorovius, F. History of the City of Rome in the Middle Ages. London, G. Bell & Sons, 1900-1909.], Volume 4, page 74, comment 41). Where did all these mediaeval coins go? Let us formulate a hypothesis. All of these coins have been misdated, and thrown back into the past, transforming into “ancient coins” as a result. Some of them are exhibited in museums as “very old ones” nowadays. Apparently, the naissance of golden and silver coinage in Western Europe really dates to the XIII century a.d. at the earliest. Confronted by the non-existence of mediaeval Western European coins predating the XIII century a.d., the numismatists were faced with the necessity to invent various theories aimed at explaining the economical stagnation of Europe that allegedly followed the “flourishing Classical age”. The strange “stagnation” in Roman minting between the VIII and XIII century a.d. is all the more amazing since it follows a very fruitful and glorious period of Roman coinage of the alleged I-VI century a.d. Golden coins of this “ancient” empire are on a par with the mediaeval ones dated to the XIII-XVII century in quality and detail. This oddity is most probably explained by the misdating of the XIII-XVII century coins that have been moved a long way into the past. Poggio Bracciolini 18:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi...

Hello —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.21.179.18 (talk) 04:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)