Talk:Nugzar Bagration-Gruzinsky

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[edit] About his heir presumptive

I have the following thoughts about his heir presumptive.

http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/bagration.html says Pr Nugzar of Georgia is Head of the Royal Family of Georgia, but doesn't say Pr Peter of Georgia is heir presumptive. http://genealogy.euweb.cz/georgia/bagrat8.html#E2 says HSH Pr Nugzar of Georgia is Head of the Royal Family of Georgia, but doesn't say HSH Pr Peter of Georgia is heir presumptive, as well as.

In the first place these two sources don't show the succession law. If Salic law, Prince Peter is heir presumptive, of course. But http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Georgia/georgia.htm says about RULES OF SUCCESSION "Primogeniture, legitimate sons taking precedence over natural sons, and natural sons taking precedence over legitimate daughters.", "Salic laws of succession never applied to any of the Georgian Kingdoms.". If it is so, Princess Anna is heir presumptive, because she is eldest daughter of Prince Nugzar.

If Prince Nugzar says his house law is Salic, that's no historical, customary or legal justification, same as Moukhrani Line's claim. However, even if there is his thought by either law("Salic law" or "Primogeniture"), the successor of the last King of Georgia is him(Because, senior female's descendants are not found).

Furthermore, I examine two of the next.

http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Georgia/kakhet6.htm doesn't says Prince Nukzar(Nugzar) is Head of the Royal House of Georgia. And description isn't found about the current Head of Royal House.

http://www.chivalricorders.org/royalty/gotha/bagrtgen.htm says Prince GEORGE(Moukhrani line) assumed the Headship of the Royal House of Bagration of Georgia. But Prince Nugzar only senior representative(NOT Head) of the Royal House of Kartli and Kakheti(NOT Georgia), different from his claim. AS FAR AS I KNOW IT, THIS SITE IS THE ONLY SOURCE that assumes Prince Peter as a heir presumptive, EXPLICITLY. May we judge his heir presumptive(of Georgian throne) from that site? It doesn't seem to accept his claim(to the Georgian throne).

From the above, I think his heir presumptive is Princess Anna, or MERELY UNCLEAR. Motsu 10:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] male priomogeniture in Georgia

David Pritchard Conclusions: Grand Duchess Leonida belongs to the senior Bagratid line, Line 1. Her late brother Prince Irakly Georgievich was the senior male of the entire Bagratid Dynasty. This senior genealogical branch had been the Kings of Georgia before they were overthrown by Line VI.

The head of Line VI of the Bagratid Dynasty and the House of Georgia is Prince Nukzar Petrovich and his heir is Prince Peter Petrovich. The last King of Georgia belonged to Line VI.

Line one claims to be the rightful Royal House of Georgia based on male priomogeniture genealogy from the start of the dynasty some 1000 plus years ago and Line VI claims to be the rightful Royal House of Georgia based on male priomogeniture genealogy descent from the last King of Georgia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.50.18.202 (talk) 19:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you please provide sources for these claims? Also, who is this "Prince Peter Petrovich"? --Kober^Talk 19:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

1. Last Georgian reigning line

Prince NUKZAR PETROVICH GROUZINSKY, b at Tbilisi 25 Aug 1950, film producer, succ his father as senior representative of the Royal House of Kartli and Kakheti, 1984, m at ……. 10 Feb 1971 Leyla Georgievna Kipiani (b at …….. 16 Jul 1947), and had issue,

1. Princess Anna Nukzarovna, b at Tbilisi 1 Nov 1976.

2. Princess Maya Nukzarovna, b at Tbilisi 2 Jan 1978.

and

Prince Peter Petrovich, Heir Presumptive as head of the GROUZINSKY line b at ……. 1916, Captain Soviet Merchant Marine, m Raisa Sergeevna Maletskaya (b at ….. 1923; d at …… 1987), and had issue,

1. Prince Eugene Petrovich, b at …….. 1947, m at Moscow …… Alexandra Parkhun.

2. Princess Marina Petrovna, b at ……… 1950.

3. Princess Catherine Petrovna, b at ……… 1956, m at …… Serge Vladimirovich Platonov. http://www.chivalricorders.org/royalty/gotha/bagrtgen.htm http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/bagration.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.50.18.202 (talk) 19:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)