Talk:Nudity in sport

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[edit] The Spartan Tradition

Why did the Spartans begin this tradition of excercising naked? I'm sure I read some story where the Spartans started this tradition after a group of Spartan javalin throwers were defeated by a woman who had been admitted to the competition because she had disguised herself as a man; this humiliated the other competitors, who introduced this practice to keep women out of male-only sporting events. Other sources cite a story that some Greek runner tripping over his loincloth as the origin of this tradition. I think these different stories behind this practice should be included in the article, but I don't feel my information is complete enough to merit inclusion. Can someone help out with this? --L33tminion 19:39, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

I have also heard that the nudity rule in the Olympic games started as a woman beated their male concurrents. --Error (talk) 21:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed image

I removed Image:Brasil01.jpg because it is at best tangentially related to the topic. That is, its subjects are sportswomen, and they are nude, but they are not playing any sport in the nude, so the connection is marginal. (The image is also a probable copyright infringement.) —Charles P. (Mirv) 22:12, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't have an opinion on this specific image. I reverted its deletion only because the original deletor was engaged in a wholesale bowldlerisation campaign. If you're concerned about legal issues associated with this specific image, you might wish to review the contributions of its submittor (User:Registering a free account), many of whose contributions are similar. -- John Fader 23:35, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nudity sinful

Can someone cite something that backs up "When Christianity in the fourth century became the state religion, gladiatorial games were soon abandoned, and the concept of nudity as 'sinful' took over." I find it hard to believe that the reason for the cessation of the gladiatorial games was that nudity was considered sinful. This seems like a serious factual or POV problem. Notthe9 05:59, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It didn't say that's the reason, just that the two happened at the same time. One could even say it was the cessation of the games that allowed the concept. On another note, should this article incorporate information on the "Shirts and Skins" phenomenon?

On the latter point- yes, it probably should... provided someone out there actually understands it. -FZ 18:06, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect picture label?

The caption for the picture of the nekkid wimmin does not match what is on the info page for the picture. I’ll leave it to someone who’s fully awake to fix it. -Ahruman 23:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] naked female sumo?

sorry if this is the wrong place for this, but i was wondering what the source was for this information. my google skills seem to fail me here.

[edit] Sport vs recreation

There is a lot of information on this page that would be best moved to an article about clothes free recreation than in a sport related article. Sports are competive, recreation is a broader topic.Dandelion1 20:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article is currently a sausage festival

Surely there are some pictures of women that could be added. 4.89.242.235 21:57, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Feller and Joe DiMaggio photos

I don't think the captions are correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the early to mid part of the 20th century wasn't there signs posted on the locker room saying No Women, Children or Reporters Allowed? Because it says this in some documentaries and movies I've seen. Perhaps their friends did it as a joke? Or for a women's magazine? 156.34.208.175 00:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Even if properly researched, publicly released material is not unlikely to be (self-)censored to present standards; yet if nude photos of a celebrity were taken and publicized illicitly, a hefty damage claim would have been likely, and/or criminal pursuit. Fastifex 13:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Why are there so many shower pictures on a sports page? This seems really unbalanced and unnecessary. Think sports!!! User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 16:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Since naked sports are no longer mainstream since before the invention of photography, I imagine better illustrations will be very hard to find (except in the more pornographic circuit, which is dubious as proof of any reality) except from the lockerroom - or non-photographic arts, there's an idea Fastifex 13:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger?

Most of the considerations in Naked hiking apply just as well to naked sport, or even to nudity in public in general; practically nothing specific is said on hiking as such, even various links etc. are non-specific. The material may therefore be better used here, both as general considerations and as a section called something like Sports and recreational hiking in open air. Fastifex 13:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. There needs to be a Nudity in recreation for non-competivie physical activities like hiking, biking, swimming.... User:Dandelion (talk|contribs). There is a quite a bit of material that could be in such an article. 03:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I am strongly against merging everything to do with naked activities under nudity in sport. I do not regard my hiking as sport. The web garners it's strength from links to related material, not by having everything under one big umbrella.

Don't merge - use sensible links instead.

[edit] Title change?

I think that Athletic nudity is a more intuitive title for this topic. Any comments? Haiduc 01:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shower pictures?

As someone stated earlier on this talk-page about pictures of naked non-sporting athletes: "they are nude, but they are not playing any sport in the nude, so the connection is marginal." I mean... duh, people are most commonly naked while showering :) Though one could create a brand new article of Nudity in showers. So what I propose is to replace these images with more relevant ones (if there are any). 85.225.25.168 20:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Right, the images aren't relevant to "nudity in sport" and their inclusion does not support any concept or fact mentioned in the body of the article. If someone had a picture of an actor using a toilet off-screen during the production of a film, would the image belong in an article on "nudity in American film"? Of course not. Along those lines, a picture of a naked, non-sporting athlete doesn't contribute anything to "Nudity in sport." BAKirken 06:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nazis revered the FKK?

It was my understanding that the Nazis outlawed naturist organisations, and were usually very conservative in their views on naturism. Anyone got a reference for this? Esseh 19:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)