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[edit] E. W. Kenyon Article

Thank you for killing the dead links in this article. I did the same thing awhile back but my edits were reverted. --Wordbuilder 18:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dead link fix

Thanks, N! I didn't know you were here. I will make sure everyone knows you eat boogers too! :D ClaudeReigns 19:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

With a fork. Don't forget to mention that. I use a fork to eat my boogers. Nswinton 19:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Behold!

Global Pastors Network

[edit] Global Pastors Network

On 4 April 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Global Pastors Network, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The infobox you requested

Hey, see my talk page. Xanthius 21:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subdeacon16

Greetings and Peace!

Thank you soo much for helping. Well, what is the first thing you sugest that I do from this point? In all actuality, it's just their bios that I took from our website.

[edit] Article assessment

I'm curious why you are adding evaluations to the WikiProject Oregon articles that overlap with WikiProject Christianity. Because a) we don't have an assessment system in place and b) if we do set one up, we'll probably want to do the prioritization ourselves, because the articles may differ in importance from that of the Christianity project. Could you explain? Thanks. Katr67 17:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I responded on your talk page. Nswinton 18:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

It's very nice of you to help out, but like I said, since we don't have an assessent system, it's probably a waste of your energy to add assessments to project boxes that don't have one. You can see if the assessment stuff pops up in the template by using show preview, I think, to see which projects are using assessments. I can't speak for the other WikiProjects, but I'm not sure if you're in a position to evaluate the importance of our project's articles. For example, someone might be a very prominent figure in Oregon history, yet their connection to Christiany might be minor in comparision. Or vice versa. Happy editing! Katr67 18:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I can appreciate that viewpoint. I didn't realize that you guys didn't have an assessment system in place. I was mostly cross-assessing with the Biography and Calvinism projects, both of which I'm familiar with and which have similar goals. I think all projects can agree on the "Stub/Start/B/GA/..." assessments for the most part, but as far as importance of the project, I can only guess (while, for example, a governor who happened to be a Christian would likely be high on a certain state's list, and the biography project, but relatively lower in the scope of Christianity. I've tried to account for that in my past assessments, but I think you raise a good point, so I'll stick to projects I'm very familiar with from here on out. Thanks for letting me know. Nswinton 18:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Justification (Theology) assessment

Hi, thanks for providing feedback to the Justification (theology) article. Please leave comments as to how it can be improved. jrcagle 21:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I just skimmed over the article and got the gist of the discussion page. It looks like you've done an admirable job of keeping civility and grace a top priority there. Nice work. I'll leave suggestions on the articles comment page. Have a nice day! Nswinton 21:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: GCA Infobox

I am, and have been, concerned about any infobox that lists the founding date of the movement as something other than 1965 or 1970. The causal reader of the article could very easily become confused, or take it to mean the movement didn't really begin until 2006 or what have you. That is why I would prefer the timeline, if anything. Personally I'm not really sure we do need any sort of "box." Why not just put the picture on the right hand side with a caption and no date? Xanthius 16:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

how bout this:

And leave the history infobox in the Background section? Nswinton 16:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Better. I still don't know if I feel an infobox is appropriate because it only represents one subsidary or portion of time of the movement. What about people who only know the movement as "Great Commission Ministries?" There are probably as many "GCM" campus ministries as GCC churches right? What about putting both GCC and GCM logos in the infobox? Xanthius 18:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

GCC is a sort of parent/sister organization of GCM (GCM runs things like campus churches, staff admin, mission trips, while GCC is more of the local church oversight org. At least as best as I understand things. What would be the best way to communicate this? Is there a GCA logo out there somewhere? Then we could put that, the GCC one, and the GCA one all in order on the infobox with a short description of them all. Nswinton 18:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

They both look good to me. My only question is the accuracy of GCAC changed its name to GCC. I'm just not sure if it's true, I'm not saying that it isn't. As I understand, GCAC simply goes by GCC currently, not sure if there's an official name change per se (too busy to look it up at the moment, sorry). For Xanthius, there are is at least a 2 to 1 ratio of GCC churches to GCM churches. Plus, most of the campus churches are actually GCC churches, their staff are just paid by GCM. There are 150 total churches, 49 campuses, and I believe only about 20-25 are actually in the GCM mentorship structure. Gatorgalen 20:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another try?

How 'bout this then? This shows that GCC, GCM and GCLA are all within the GCA structure (admittedly the wording in the captions needs work). It also does not give any single founding date (but instead refers to the Background section). Do you guys think the "Key People" section is necessary? Maybe after there are some stubs for most of those guys, maybe, but not for now?

That GCA box is horribly gaudy IMHO. Sorry. Also a note to Xanthius - is there seriously any chance of someone thinking it started in 2006? I think that would take a remarkably unintelligent person. Gatorgalen 05:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Great Commission Association
Image:GCC Logo.png GCC is the local church branch of the GCA GCM is the staff/admin/missions branch of the GCA GCLA, GCA's branch in Latin America
Type	Evangelical Christian Church Association
Founded	(See Background section)
Headquarters	Columbus, Ohio
Website	http://www.gccweb.org/

gee that is a whole lot of boxes counting the history one too ClaudeReigns 06:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] my counterproposal (less graphics, more info, one box)

I think this shows the history using just one factbox and is graphics lite. Notable diffs: founder (click the link on founder, it is informative), focus and slogan, both taken from the homepage, international area served with room to list, and number members, thanks GG. Also note: McCotter not included in Key People. ClaudeReigns 06:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha, that "founder" link is automatically there? Someone is gonna take offense there cause it will hit too close to home! I don't care, it made me laugh. Anyway, I think this new version looks fine. If I had to be picky, I'd re-word "planting and building churches" so it doesn't sound like a missions group that goes places and literally builds new church buildings (it's very close to a description of a mission trip to Mexico that a few friends went on where people just built new church buildings). How about "Church planting and growth"? `Nswinton 13:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, or perhaps just "Church planting". no need for an and. Otherwise looks fine. Gatorgalen 16:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Yea, that sounds good to me, too. Nswinton 16:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

"Church planting and growth" is a direct quote from the homepage in reference to the word "focus". Wasn't paraphrasing or doing OR. You can always ask them to change the homepage if you want to simplify.  :D ClaudeReigns 23:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

not sure where that's at, I do see "church planting, youth events, leadership development, and church growth" on the GCC site. In retrospect, it makes more sense to include growth because some of GCC's churches weren't planted by GCC in the first place. So I'm fine with that, and maybe also adding in leadership development and/or youth events. Gatorgalen 01:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

There is still the unused "Methods" field and youth events could probably get mention there in some form. ClaudeReigns 23:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The Great Commission church movement began in 1970 with a focus on planting and building churches that are devoted to Jesus Christ and fulfilling the Great Commission: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age," (Matthew 28:19, 20). [1] ClaudeReigns 01:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

It's nice. I would still prefer it if GCM was also represented in the box, since it's such a big part of the movement, but I am okay with using this one with a few changes. Key people is missing Dennis Clark. Who is Chris Martin? As for 'Focus': "planting and building churches" is slightly inaccurate, since as of 1991 (according to Kane Associates) the movement had not built a single church building. I think the focus would be more accurately described as "Evangelism," maybe. Xanthius 05:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Chris Martin is on the GC board, (see gccweb.org) but I have no idea how noteworthy he is. I am not sure I've heard of him personally, and his face isn't familiar to me. You're right about missing Dennis Clark for sure. Should we replace Chris with Dennis, do you think? Nswinton 20:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I see what you're saying--the focus is not real estate development. I don't think any of us actually think of GC as an intrepid group of Amish carpenters, daily erecting sturdy wooden buildings on the frontiers of evangelism, but it might appear that way to outsiders as worded. Organization development is a more appropriate translation of that, and so I propose that we retain the wording but link accordingly, especially since

• we've already delineated GCC as evangelical
• the church building article reads as an architectural piece.
• we are infoboxing GCC as a non-profit organization
• the Wiktionary definition of the verb build[2] includes 6 infinitive disambiguations including:
  • "to construct" exists but discounted here with the Kane Association citation
  • 2 examples of "to form" already covered in planting.
  • 2 instances of "to develop" and another of "to increase or strengthen" seemingly corroborated by the idea of "organization development".

Just as with the Slogan field inherent in the infobox, all organizations including non-profits seemingly have a certain sovereignty to self-definition in the form of mission statements and the like. This is how I found the word "focus" used at the GCC official site, and for anyone else to define such a vague parameter as "focus" for the organization but the organization itself wouldn't be appropriate IMO. Additionally, the organization should definitely retain its right to re-define itself as well, and so if the word focus is used differently at the official site, Wikipedia would need to change accordingly. I know that additive reasoning is WP:OR but I hope *pant pant pant* I've presented a subtractive case for this definition that might satisfy the urge for balance, clarity, and objectivity for all editors. ClaudeReigns 07:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

So which one are we going with then? You lost me. Nswinton 11:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

• "Truly you have a dizzying intellect." --from The Princess Bride

Ok, gotcha. In summary, I'm calling a focus of "church building" organizational development -- but only as a link and not as the wording -- so as not to confuse "church building" with church architectural or construction pursuits. It's reflected in the current draft. ClaudeReigns 20:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

So you plan to have it read, "Planting and building churches"? Nswinton 20:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

yes, I have the infobox to the right currently marked up as such. ClaudeReigns 20:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm, no word yet... should we refer it for consensus on the GCC talk page? ClaudeReigns 18:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Yea, go ahead and put it up on the GCA article talk page. If no one has a problem in a few days I think you should go ahead and put it on the page. Nswinton 03:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Also did you know?

Bovey.jpg is listed for speedy deletion. You need license or fair use, not permission. ClaudeReigns 06:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

$%(*&_# I still suck with uploading images and getting the right tags. I've talked to the webmasters that had all those images and they don't care what happens to them... Ugh. I don't have time this morning to stop the speedy deletions. I'll just have to upload more later. I'm gonna like like 6 images now. Nswinton 13:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

All you have to do is send them an email with the text "As the copyright holder on image Bovey.jpg, I hereby license it under Creative Commons 2.5 for distribution and modification but retain the copyright." and have them reply with the text. ClaudeReigns 20:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

AH, thanks. Honestly, I gave all the other ones I uploaded a GDFL tag I didn't totally understand but one I knew wouldn't get me any more speedy deletions. I'm sure GC is never gonna give me trouble for using those images. Dave Bovenmyer is a friend of mine and lives just across town from me. Nswinton 22:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Right, but the overall deal is that a GDFL on that photo also would give me the right to distribute the photo, and possibly even paste the head on other photos for parody, etc. The most practical application for that is that it would give Wikipedia the right to reprint it in the for-sale ROM, but GNU isn't specific to a single use like permissions are. If it isn't officially under GDFL, make sure you obtain that license if you're going to post it as such. It will save everyone a lot of headaches later down the road. ClaudeReigns 23:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Crap, this image stuff is a pain in my butt. I'll read up on it more tonight and get my images fixed up properly. Thanks for the heads-up, dude. I really appreciate it. Nswinton 23:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC at GCC article

Need more commentary at the GCC talk page please because it is a formal request for consensus. ClaudeReigns 00:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

YDone. Nswinton 20:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity Sidebar

I'm stunned by how fast you got it together! :) I think that we probably could replace the existing template on the main project page with this fairly easily. Great work! John Carter 20:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :) Nswinton 20:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review for GCA article

Thank you. ClaudeReigns 05:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Not sure where things will go from here, but someday I'm hoping we'll have a GA on our hands. God knows it's been through a crucible already! Nswinton 19:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Padahuthurai article review

Thank you very much for taking interest in an obscure subject matter from a far away place. We have been trying to achive perfection in these imperfect conditions and emotions. This is third in a series of articles to be peer reviewed. Others were Tamilnet and Burning of Jaffna library. Eventually the aim is to promote good articles to GA status and FA if it is all possible. More work and more articles to be updated, not enough time :-( Thanks again Taprobanus 22:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

I know a good amount of wikiformatting, but I'm not too great with templates. I could give it a shot. What exactly do you want done? Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť ^{Talk to me} or _{Need help?} 03:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Not a snow ball's chance in hell that I would be able to do that. Lol. Sorry. I thought you needed a new template or something. Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť ^{Talk to me} or _{Need help?} 03:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds awesome. I'd be able to help with this. By welcoming banner, do you mean welcoming template or literally a banner or a combination of both? Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť^{Talk to me} or _{learn something new!} 23:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean this {{welcome}}? If it is, I'll start making one for the project. --Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť^{Talk to me} or _{learn something new!} 23:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

There is also this one: {{Welcome!}} Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť^{Talk to me} or _{learn something new!} 23:28, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Where did you find it? Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť^{Talk to me} or _{learn something new!} 23:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Yup its reasonable. I'll be working on it in the next few days. --Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť^{Talk to me} or _{learn something new!} 00:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

You can monitor the progress at {{User:Wikihermit/Christ}}. Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť^{Talk to me} or _{learn something new!} 00:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

...crap. I forgot about it. I'll pick up on it again! Sorry! You can help if you would like! --T_{Talk to me} 19:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Updated to add Work Groups. Will keep working on it. Anything in particular you are looking for? --T_{Talk to me} 23:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

YDone T_{Talk to me} 00:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template Question

Most of the template editing I have done has been either (a) copying one template and making minor changes or (b) following explicit step-by-step instructions to make a change in a template. I have passed your request on to another editor who has done a fair amount of work with WikiProject banners; between the two of us we may be able to accomplish what you are looking for. -- Pastor David ^† _(Review) 18:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project banner

The editor who created the template "complex banner", {{WPMILHIST}}, is User:Kirill Lokshin. It might be possible to ask him for his help in converting the existing Christianity banner into a more complex one, as I think he is the best expert we have on the subject. John Carter 18:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks John, I have forwarded the request on to Kirill. Pastor David ^† _(Review) 18:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re

Thank you for the notice and invite about the Project Christianity page. I am interested in contributing, but at present I have a full plate with life and all that, so I'll join when I can. Thanks again, Lostcaesar 15:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] get well card

My adopter, NDCompuGeek is not doing so well. Can you sign his get well soon card? Spread the word please. Sincerely, Sir intellegent - smartr tahn eaver!!!! 03:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

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I'll start looking over your contributions and give you some input on several different aspects. You will probably get the response tomorrow, as i would like to give you some in depth suggestions so that you may become a better editor! btw could you please remove the adoptee's userbox so that other users wont ask to adopt you. you may replace it with

This user has been adopted by Matthew Yeager.

if you wish. let me know if you have any questions, if you have AIM you can reach me at MBFY20. thank you for your time Matthew Yeager 04:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Progress

I've been reviewing your edits. You are making progress but i havent really seen you write an article with passion to date. yet, by no means does this demean your contributions. I was very impressed to see the initiative you took to dissolve some controversy over the neutrality of some articles. I can see that your heart and knowledge lies with the religious articles... I'm very excited to see some major contributions \ rebuilds \ creations from you on this. If you feel you need any guidance on this let me know. I'm not talking about little things but more of a stricter Manual of Style check and Wikipedia policies as well. I know you have the potential to create some good articles and even some featured articles if you want to. I would be happy to look over some of your work, if you start working on more in depth edits.
On top of this, I find this to be more of a mentoring then adoption as you are not new. We are taking you to the next level, not from 0 -> editor but from editor to hopefully an administrator one day. With this, I have asked a few other adopters to come and look over your work for you, so that you can get the most out of this program. So please let me know when you decide to work on some edits that are more yours then little fixes. Thank you for your time, please let me know if you have any questions. Matthew Yeager 05:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] F. F. Bosworth

Hey there have been quite a few edits recently, and wow, article might need some cleanup. Thought I'd drop you a line since it seems Bosworth is an interest. There's a new source I can't properly evaluate having not read it. Might want to pick it up since it is a secondary source. We may end up having to favor the new source over "Christ the Healer" as a result. Anyway, the article may have lost the logic to its flow, and sooooooo...leaving it to you to evaluate. Check in with me after you have taken a stab at it, and I'll help as I can. Major edits. I hardly recognize it. ClaudeReigns 07:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EricStephens

Hi - I saw your talk entry on my page. It's been a long time since I've been on WP for any work with WP Christianity. Time permitting, I would love to participate. EricStephens 23:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Great Commission Latin America Logo.gif

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[edit] Image:Logo vert-alt.gif

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[edit] Unspecified source for Image:026_la_times.gif

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Hi. I'm new to this as well, so I'll try to answer as best as possible. The copyright for the image you've provided seems to be fine. However, just include a link of the source from which the image was obtained. This will help other editors to verify that no copyright violations are being committed, I guess. aJCfreak yAkBaK 18:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! (If u notice, my adopter has mentioned the same response on my talk page for your query :D ) Please don't take it personally or anything. Got nothin against ya ;) Anyways, have jus learned to patrol page uploads in WP and yours was the first image I tagged, incidentally. Anyways, don't let this deter ya. Keep at it... Happy wiki-ing!!! aJCfreak yAkBaK 18:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

You're really understanding! Thanks... :) (for quoting WP:BOLD and WP:AGF. I see you've got an excellent Wiki-spirit... :D Continue. Hope to cross edits with you sometime in the future! aJCfreak yAkBaK 19:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advice on "Christian Church" dispute

Thanks again for your advice and input on the "Christian Church" article.

I was hoping to ask for some mentoring advice from a neutral party. Johnbod and I don't seem to be making any headway on our disagreements regarding the merger of CC and OHCAC. We've chewed up a lot of space on the CC talk page with no resolution. You and John Carter chimed in with support for the merger but Johnbod seems unconvinced and, frankly, 4 people is not a major consensus. Also, Johnbod really seems to want to change the entire focus of the CC article which I disagree with as well.

I proposed to him that we take a straw poll on the Christianity Project page on two proposals for how the Christian Church article should be focused. The intention is to settle the issue that way. Is this the most reasonable way to handle this, in your opinion? I'm frankly getting tired of being in a discussion that's going nowhere but I don't feel I have the moral authority to say my opinion wins.

Thanks.

--Mcorazao 21:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Azusa Street Revival

It began with a meeting on April 14, 1906 at African Methodist Episcopal Church and continued until roughly 1915.

...at the African...

Today, the revival is considered to be the primary catalyst for the spread of Pentecostalism in the 20th century.

Please review Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words as the question, 'Who considers this to be the primary catalyst ?' would be asked. When making such comments, please be sure to cite the sources.

In 1904, the Welsh Revival took place, causing some 100,000 people in Wales to convert to Christianity.

Please review encyclopedia tone, as "causing some 100,000 people" is not justified. Even "causing nearly 100,000 people" or "causing approximately 100,000 people" is much better. On top of that, citations would be needed again, unless the [1] cited later covers everything above it ?

William J. Seymour was an African American son of former slaves from Louisiana

awkward wording ?!

In early 1905, 34 year old William J. Seymour was living in Houston, Texas.

name shouldnt be internal linked again.

Seymour attended a local African American holiness church

African American shouldnt be internal linked again.

Seymour attended a local African American holiness church, pastored by Lucy F. Farrow, a former governess in the household of Charles Parham.

reword to avoid awkward double comma, such as "Seymour attended a local African American holiness church which was pastored by Lucy F. Farrow, a former governess in the household of Charles Parham."

Farrow arranged for Seymour to attend Parham's classes, but because of Jim Crow segregation laws of the time, he had to listen from the doorway, and could not participate in class or pray with other students.[6]

too long, could be broken down to provide a much more clear picture of what your speaking of. "Farrow arranged for Seymour to attend Parham's classes, yet because of Jim Crow segregation he had to listen from the doorway. As a result, he could not participate in class or pray with other students.[6]"

Parham taught that Christians ought to have a Baptism with the Holy Spirit, and that in every instance of such baptism that God would give intelligible languages, "speaking in tongues" for the purpose of missionary evangelism.

another very long sentence that gets wordy

Seymour preached that baptism in the Holy Spirit

baptism in the Holy Spirit shouldnt be internal linked again.

Holy Spirit was accompanied with speaking in tongues,

speaking in tongues shouldnt be internal linked again.

and though he had not experienced speaking in tongues personally

speaking in tongues shouldnt be internal linked again.

Seymour preached that baptism in the Holy Spirit was accompanied with speaking in tongues, and though he had not experienced speaking in tongues personally, Terry was impressed with his character and message.

repetitive, maybe ", and although he had not experienced this personally,"

When she returned home to California, she suggested that Seymour should be invited to come and speak to their church.[7]

maybe "Once home in California, Terry suggested that Seymour be invited to speak at the local church" something to relieve repeats of "she"

When Seymour accepted the invitation in February of 1906, Parham was surprised, but eventually gave his blessing and some financial assistance so that Seymour could make the long train journey to Los Angeles.[1]

another very long sentence that gets wordy

His visit was originally planned to last for one month.[2]

leaves the reader unsure of how long it actually was.

During his first sermon, he preached that speaking in tongues was the first

speaking in tongues shouldnt be internal linked again.

Biblical evidence of the inevitable accompaniment of possession of, or baptism in the Holy Spirit.

baptism in the Holy Spirit shouldnt be internal linked again.

Condemnation of his message also came from the Holiness Church Association of 

Holiness movement shouldnt be internal linked again.

White families from local Holiness Churches began to attend as well. The group would get together regularly and pray for the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

baptism in the Holy Spirit shouldnt be internal linked again.

Edward S. Lee spoke in tongues for the first time.

speaking in tongues shouldnt be internal linked again.

and soon six others began to speak in tongues as well,

speaking in tongues shouldnt be internal linked again.

News of the events at North Bonnie Brae St. quickly circulated among the African American

african american shouldnt be internal linked again.

Latino and White residents of the city, and for several nights, various

white shouldnt be internal linked again.

I found the background section start off strong, but then by the end i felt that it turned into "this person spoke in tougues, then this person then this person". do you see what i mean or should i describe it better ?

The now-homeless crowd eventually discovered 

and

They held their first meeting on

are ambiguous as to who "they" are to user

maybe you should check out Block quote for some of the more lengthy quotes on the page.

anywhere from 300[2] to 1500 people would attempt to cram into the building.

encyclopedia tone ?

the transition from one idea to another should be improved. you jump from how many people can fit into the room -> flies being there due to horses -> there being many different types of people there

article review up to, but not including 'Services and Worship' section. of course my suggestions are just that, suggestions. just letting you know what i think of the article. from what i've seen, the information and content is here for GA. yet some structure and organization may still be needed before then. i'll look over the rest later on, as it is quite a large article :P good luck, ihoep these helped in improving your work. if you have any questions about these suggestions let me know,
MatthewYeager 04:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hi. I've put the importance tag on for you, since I've done that sort of thing before, but I'm busyish at the moment, and may not get to the "todo" one (which I have to admit I can't see the advantage of -- I like the approach used on the talk page of the John Calvin article better :) ).

Before you think I'm brilliant, I just copied and pasted the code from the WPCalvinism template. If you're keen to get the todo list going, you could try the same thing yourself -- find the right spot in the template, paste in the stuff from the other page, and see how it works (although you may want to test in a sandbox :) ).

-- TimNelson 05:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

As far as copy/paste goes, there are two things to keep in mind:

• Finding the right piece to copy is one of the hard parts
• There are usually a few obvious changes to make (eg. changing "Calvinism" to "Christianity"), but that's usually fairly straightforward if you selected the right piece to copy.

-- TimNelson 12:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of extraterrestrials in Dragon Ball

Maybe you can explain to DBZROCKS[3] better than I. He continues to refuse to acknowledge WP:SUMMARY. Lord Sesshomaru

I'm afraid I don't understand why you reverted yourself though. Lord Sesshomaru

Most certainly. I strongly suggest that you revert yourself (again) on that page and I will do the rest. Shall we begin? Lord Sesshomaru

... it would be great if I could get your aid and ideas. I'm not one to usually do this sort of thing on my own. Besides, how should I go about it without knowing what should be done? Lord Sesshomaru

[edit] Hey

I was thinking that we could create a newsletter for Wikiproject Christianity each week, month, bimonthly, ect whatever, about the different things going on in the project. Any ideas on this? I'm sure we could pull together other people to help us out. Let me know. Thanks! --^Ideology_{Talk to me} £ 00:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[4] We could use this as a template. --^Wikihermit_(Speak) £ 14:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Here is it User:Wikihermit/newsletter. PLEASE update it some, as I'm lost as to what to include. I have a bot we could use to deliver the message to. I've added a outreach link on the main page for WP:X. We can use that to organize who wants it delivered and how after we get the first one out. The first newsletter will go out to everyone. I think, if possible, we should try to get this out by today. Thanks! --^Wikihermit_(Speak) £ 19:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC) sorry for grammar errors, I'm in a rush

I've moved the template to here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach --^Wikihermit_(Speak) £ 01:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Ready to deliver it?? --^Wikihermit_(Speak) £ 02:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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