User:Nrswanson/sandbox

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[edit] Ok Totophi. Lets examine the evidence

• 1. Anonymous IP (AIP) makes the following addition to C (musical note): "It should also be noted that even among renowned manufacturers of 88-note digital keyboard instruments, "C4" is not necessarily the same key across the board. For instance, C4 does indeed refer to middle C for Kurzweil and Roland, whereas C4 for Yamaha (e.g. the recent P-85) is clearly the octave above middle C, otherwise known as C3."
• 2. Nrswanson notes that this article clearly states that the page is based on scientific pitch notation which always designates middle C as C4 at 261.626 hertz which the above statement denies. Truly believing the information added by AIP is false he reverts the changes made by AIP with the following statement made in good faith: "reverting. completely false statement. the piano has nothing to do with determining scientific pitch notation." This statement does not in anyway attack "AIP" personally but merely is a statement of fact about why nrswanson reverted the article.
• 3. AIP reverts the article back to the version he created with the following statement: "There is absolutely NOTHING untruthful in this statement! Rather, it serves to clarify different, legitimate uses of 'C4' which may or may not confuse musician." AIP has chosen not to discuss the topic or address nrswanson's concerns on the talk page.
• 4. Nrswanson realizes that AIP has still failed to notice that the entire article is based on scientific pitch notation and reverts the article. The information counters the graph at the bottom of the article and therefore makes it appear as if middle C can be at different frequencies which is again against SIN and in fact all other forms of pitch notation as middle C will always be at 261.626 hertz. The statement is therefore either false (likely) and/or original research.
• 5. Rather than discussing the facts/issue at hand, AIP launches into an unprovoked attack on nrswanson personally. This attack involves information that AIP took from nrswanson's user page showing that AIP put calculated forethought into his actions. He attacks nrswanson's background and education and basically infers that he is a moron. This is a deliberate attempt at character assasination. However, AIP makes two valid arguements: "A) this Wiki article is not solely for determining 'proper scientific notation'"; and B) owners of certain keyboard instruments WILL be confused if they assume that all instruments assume C4 as middle C."
• 6. Nrswanson is shocked and confused at the unprovoked direct attack upon himself. He responds somewhat emotionally but notice how he refrains from making any insulting remarks against AIP. He merely complains about AIP's inappropriate behavior and informs him of the consequences if such behavior continues. He goes on to defend his experience/education. Nrswanson tries to defend his position but looking back on it now he could have been a little more clear and have more specifically addressed AIP's two issues. Basically nrswanson is asserting that the article is only using SIN and that the wording that AIP used reads like he is claiming that C3 could be middle C in SIN. The article edits AIP made read this way because no mention of the use of a different pitch notation system is ever given. (Note:this article starts out by saying the data in the article is based in SIN. The article could adapt other systems but then a more thorough explanation of every aspect of this article would be required, which probably would confuse a non-musician. Also why only those two systems when there are at least four different pitch notation systems. However, SIN is the most prevelant.)
• 7. Totophi takes over defending AIP's position with some evidence of keyboard specs. He also points out that nrswanson is fallible which is perfectly true. However, he goes onto make attacks on nrswanson saying the following: "Although I agree that personal attacks are against the nature of the Wikipedia community, I can still see how you unwittingly set yourself up to look hypocritical in the eyes of Anonymous. Do you still deny the information in the PDF, or claim "original research"? Do you deny your repeated spelling errors ("appriciate")? Clearly, you are neither perfect nor omniscient. I think he is no more guilty of undue emotional response than you are." This statement reads like something AIP would say. It first accuses nrswanson of hipocracy when the evidence clearly shows that nrswanson has not made any insulting remarks. The likely person who wouldn't notice that is AIP who is upset that someone has the audacity to have another opinion. Second, it goes onto attack nrswanson using information that was not earlier available to him. Third, it uses relatively unimportant errors like spelling mistakes on a talk page to try to discredit nrswanson. Finally, Totophi points out the obvious that nrswanson is not perfect or omniscient, two claims nrswanson has never made. All of these actions make it appear as if Totophi is "AIP" and is therefore engaged in unethical sock puppetry.
• 8. Nrswanson responds with explaining that he never attended any offence and is somewhat puzzled by the apparent hostile response by Totophi. He looks at Totophi's edit history and AIP's edit history noting how short and similar both of them are. This makes him suspect sock puppetry, which he hints at. He also responds to the evidence that Totophi has presented noting that it really has nothing to do with middle C and its definition. Once again nrswanson is courteous and does not attack AIP/Totophi.
• 9. Totophi goes into a technical arguement which fails to address nrswanson's concerns regarding consistancy with SIN, and even seems to argue that middle C can in fact be pitched at different frequencies. He even asserts the possibility that a company, Yamaha, has the authority to alter the definition of middle C by putting it at a place other than inbetween the bass clef and treble clef on the grand staff and therefore a different frequency than 261.626 hertz. This arguement is contrary to all pitch notation systems as middle C is always 261.626 hertz regardless of what representational symbol you use for middle C.
• 10. AIP/(possibly Totophi in sockpuppet form) insults nrswanson by accusing him of having the mentality of the Flat Earth Society.
• 11. Nrswanson once again points out that insulting behavior is unacceptable. He goes onto explains why such a redefining of middle C would be contrary to the music theory basis behind middle C (namely middle C's position inbetween the bass cleff and treble cleff on the grand staff which is the central definition of middle C). He also points out that Totophi may be interpreting the data in a way that Yamaha never intended and that although different default pitch settings have been used, they have not redefined middle C. He further points out to Totophi, that Yamaha may not be using SIN, in which case the data represented there really is not easily applicable to the C (musical note) article which is based only in SIN for the purposes of clarity. Notice that nrswanson has still made zero hostile/insulting remarks to AIP/Totophi.
• 12. Sparafucil joins the conversation and rationally points out that the issue here is over the use of pitch notation, pointing out that one can't ambiguously throw around these terms. A perfectly reasonable and true assessment.
• 13. Nrswanson points out to Sparafucil that he is correct, and that this article uses only SIN (which is clearly stated in the article). However, the edits originally made by AIP seem to contradict this system by claiming another use of the term middle C within the SIN notation system (sense his edits never specified a change in pitch notation system). This redefining leads to problems which nrswanson clearly lays out.
• 14. Totophi attacks nrswanson for accusing him of insults which he never made citing the following statement made by nrswanson, "Obviously neither of you (or the same person?) are grasping the finer points of music theory and once again resorting to insulting remarks." Totophi failed to notice that AIP insulted nrswanson just prior to that comment, and that nrswanson's comment was addressed primarily to AIP. (see point 10) Regaurdless, Totophi has insulted nrswanson previously (point 7) and may very likely be AIP. Sockpuppetry becomes increasingly more likely with AIP's proceeding comments reflecting the style of AIP's insulting remarks such as linking to other articles and insinuating that someone with a religous background is somehow intellectually inferior. He also fails to address any of nrswanson's concerns at all.
• 15. Totophi concludes his arguements with the following, "And another thing: I stand by everything I type on Wikipedia, as though every word could be preserved as possible long-term judgement. It's not practical to assume that as reality, but it certainly makes me weigh my words. Are you as committed to your own statements?"