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I see nothing on the http://www.nf-board.com/home.htm page that mentions the members or associated members listed here. Or indeed any mention of a World Cup competition in November in Northern Cyprus for 2006. There is a reference to a proposed competition for 2005 (in French) on http://www.nf-board.com/cp_6.html Is this actually going to happen? Jooler 01:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The list of members, when this article was made, was based on the article in the Portugese wikipedia. The website of the NF-Board has not been updated since 2004, and is such a poor source to use. The Portugese wikipedia now lists a whole lot more countries than it did when this article was made, as well as many different sources. If anyone who spoke Portugese could do some work on this article, we could sort out the answers to your questions. Salmon 14:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

You could also follow the forum at http://www.theroonba.gama-cero.com.ar/index.htm Øistein Brennodden


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[edit] Website.

The http://www.nf-board.com/ website listed in the article does not lead to the Federation's website, and has seemingly been dead for a while. Is there a new domain? --Differentgravy (talk) 22:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Seemingly, this is the new site: http://www.vivaworldcup.info/en1.htm

Looks fairly amateurish. --Differentgravy (talk) 22:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Membership/Viva World Cup

The membership currently stands at 9, as listed, plus the provisional members listed on the Portuguese page. Kurdistan is not a member, so I have corrected this. Also, in the provisory members, it is South Moluccas, and not the Maluku Islands. I have changed this also.

The other countries listed are "potential" members, and this list could be expanded. Negotiations have begun with some, but by no means all, of these territories.

The Viva World Cup will play in November, the venue is yet to be decided.

There will be an UNPO Cup in September in the Netherlands, which may be used as a qualifying tournament of sorts for the VIVA World Cup. It is possible that wildcard entries (i.e. provisional members) may be permitted in the Viva World Cup, should the quota of 8 teams not be met. This would allow teams such as Kosova and Chechnya the chance to compete.

I hope this clears up any issues. If a translation of the Portuguese page is needed, I also speak Portuguese.

Mark Cruickshank - Executive Committee, N.F-Board

[edit] Useful page

http://www.nf-board.com/en3.htm

A page that has a list of all members, and when their FA joined NF-Board. Could help to add to the article, founding members and a timeline, etc. Anyone feel like taking on the task?

[edit] Information Overload

Regarding the information given in the "Members" section. It has been suggested that not having the various pieces of information listed there is "suppression", and that Wikipedia is "a collection of human knowledge". Does this mean that it should not be edited and have superfluous information removed? Is any of the information given in this particular section actually relevant? Why is it important to list the "affiliation ID", and the dates that members were granted their differing levels of status? I genuinly would like to know, because I don't understand why this is so. Hammersfan 09/10/07, 21.29 BST

The date at which each team became a member of the NF-Board is directly relevant to the accumulation of points in the current rankings. Furthermore, it is interesting information to see the progression of growth of the NF-Board, and to see which teams have most recently been added. This is completely lost in your "improved" version. Andrwsc 22:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Not to mention that the membership has a relevance on the specifics of a team's involvement. I don't know the exact details, but provisional membership in virtually all cases entitles the provisional member to attend meetings but not take part in functions - UEFA uses provisional membership to allow prospective candidates to attend meetings and become involved, while at the same time the provisional member(s) can't actually play in any tournaments, for example. If a more knowledgable person wanted to read about the members of the NF Board then they might well be interested to know which teams hold which membership, to know what tournaments they are able to participate in, for instance. Falastur2 22:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
But there is no explanation about the information anywhere on the page - it's merely a table with ID and accession date on it. As regards the comment about it being interesting information about when teams have joined, none of the confederations have this information on their pages as far as I can see, and when more and more teams join, the table as you suggest it will become more and more unwieldy. The information about the rights of teams with provisional status can be included in the article, as can an explanation of how teams are ranked by the NF-Board. I just don't see the point of including what I think are superfluous dates. Hammersfan 10/10/07, 13.34 BST

[edit] CSANF

I'm finding it a little hard, from my position of knowing very little outside of what I've read here, to understand CSANF's relation with the NF. It's described as a member confederation - does that mean it's like UEFA to FIFA? I would have automatically assumed this, but with the introduction of the CSANF, it would seem that this confederation has gone out and recruited its own members, with the exception of Easter Island, and NF doesn't seem to be treating any of them as members of NF - where, say, Argentina is a member of both CONMEBOL (the FIFA South American confederation) and FIFA, the NF Board seems to treat affiliated teams as either NF-Board members or CSANF members, but not both. Is this the case? Or am I just getting confused, somehow? Falastur2 00:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

It's like in CONCACAF and CAF where some of their members are not FIFA members (Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guyana, Zanzibar).. it's like a pyramid, usually all members of the top (FIFA) are also members of the botton (confederations), but the opposite don't happen all the time. The only South American team in NFBoard is also member of CSANF..so till the moment there is no different between FIFA and NFB confederations Calapez 15:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)]

If you look carefully, you will see that the 'members' listed on CSANF's homepage are 'potential members'. So, not all of the territories/islands listed are actually members of the organisation. 172.200.202.86 (talk) 03:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Non sovereign states

I've deleted the last part of this sentence:

It is made up of teams that represent nations that are not recognized as sovereign states and which are therefore not eligible to become members of FIFA, football's world governing body.

Because it is simply not thrue:

Wu Bangguo (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Taiwan is not a member of FIFA, Chinese Taipei Football Association is. The general rule is, that the new members have to be either internationally recognised, or the bid has to be supported by the association to which the area of the new association formerly belongs. For example in the case of the Kosovo FA it means that either Kosovo is judged to be an internationally recognised independent state, or the FA of Serbia accepts its bid. Another rule is, that the current conditions do not apply to associations that already are FIFA members – therefore previous examples are not relevant. -91.32.230.184 (talk) 15:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Not entirely accurate. The Gibraltar FA is affiliated to the FA (the English one). Back a few years ago, it applied for admission to UEFA and the British FAs championed its cause. It still had to go to a confederation vote, which was shot down when Spain's FA threatened a boycott on all UEFA competitions in protest. In this case, the FA accepting its admission wasn't enough to have it admitted. Falastur2 (talk) 19:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Southern Lower Saxony"

I'm German, but I've never heard of "Southern Lower Saxony" as an entity of any type, much less as a nation. Unless this name refers to a region outside of Germany (in which case the wiki link and the flag would be completely misleading), this seems like a joke to me. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 13:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)