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Template

Is there any template for people from Tamil Nadu?Vignesh 08:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Requesting help in designing a barnstar

All Indian Languages using wikipedians,
Further promotion of Indic language wikipedias needs mass media publicity like Print,Radio,telvision , aproaching in academic Institutions.
Also if possible a level of field support from network engineers in India for presentation and training in usage of Indian Languages and wikipedia can be a added boon.
May I call on all indic language wikipedia users,to put our hands together to design special barnstars or suggest one which can be awarded to all those who will support our noble cause with actual field support among Indian education institutions and Indian mass media or actual field 'network'help to users.
I belive we should award barnstars to such users who can support the cause through online publicity like blogs , groups etc. also.
Please do share any good development in this regards to all indic language wikipedias at विकिपिडिया: देवनागरी टेम्प्लेट परियोजना
mahitgar —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.7.88.32 (talk) 00:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

India WikiReader

Has anyone seen this? It'd be good if we could upgrade style our articles in a similar standard or even develop a similar document. Saravask 04:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Attn.Marathi Speaking Wikipedians

Mahitgar 11:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

India collaboration of the week

Cherrapunji is this week's Indian collaboration. There has been low participation in INCOTW recently. I request all of you to please nominate more articles and keep the project active. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 04:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

bio of Vijender Vijender

hi guys, i'm not a member of this wikiproject, but please, please allow me to seek help. i'm currently working on a sport article Boxing at the 2006 Asian Games and i'm creating bio-articles of boxers from different countries in Asia. if you can help me, please provide info or please expand the article Vijender Vijender - a bronze medalist from India in the Boxing at the 2006 Asian Games. any contributions is highly appreciated. thanks a lot and more power. --RebSkii 17:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Olickal

needs your help - crz crztalk 12:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Non notable family bio. I've tagged it as such.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 05:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I've deleted it. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:32, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Gandhara

Can someone insert Gandhara in Template:Middle Kingdoms of India? it should go under foriegn kingdoms during the 6th century BCE. I tried to place it in but the tables screw up.--D-Boy 00:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. The table should be converted to the normal wikitable format.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 05:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Visviva/Test

anyone checkout Visviva's infobox for indic scripts? it looks pretty useful.--D-Boy 00:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I asked him to consider adding bpy and kokborok as well. Phps at some point Meitei Mayek.Bakaman 01:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Glad there's interest in this. I've moved it to Template:Infobox Indian names so that it can be used in articles if desired. Please feel free to make changes, discuss, debate, move to a better title, etc. Cheers, -- Visviva 04:05, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the correct name would be Indic names instead of Indian names.--D-Boy 04:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Done; wasn't sure if they were all strictly Indic languages.  :-) -- Visviva 06:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
We've been having trouble with some paks on maintaining neutrality.--D-Boy 06:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Indic transliteration scheme this might help you.--D-Boy 06:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Indian history stubs

Message copied from Indian history wikiproject talk. Category:Indian history stubs category has become very large. I think we should focus on expanding/merging these stubs. Do we need a subproject for that? Please respond on the project page. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 07:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Nationalistic_bot

our poor bot seems to have a problem with NPOV. a pity...--D-Boy 06:14, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

lol, he's an Indian imperialist bot.Bakaman 18:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Can i discuss about Indian Software companies here ?

If yes, an article on an emerging Indian Software company is under the threat of deletion. I requre some attention to be directed on to this article.

Geometric Software Solutions Private Limited

Jijithnr

The right place to put up an India related afd is WP:DSI. I have done so for you. It is best to make yourself aware of the Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines especially WP:CORP in this case. — Lost(talk) 09:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Indian dance

I clicked Random Article on the sidebar and found this shocking article. Needs a tidy-up and some expansion. Most of the article only discusses dancing of two Hindu sects although the title is Indian dance. GizzaChat © 12:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Clarification reqd.

I haven't worked on the wiki for quite sometime. When I checked yesterday, I found the Category:Named passenger trains of India containing articles on Indian railway accidents, railway stations and Indian railway institutes. These articles as far as I know do not come under this category. I would have rolled it back - but since I have not worked on the wiki for quite sometime, I wanted to know whether any decision has been made, so that I can abide by it. I went through the archives, but couldn't find any discussion made on this. The Silent Contributor 08:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you. Some lazy people have miused the category. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Shall I make the changes then? The Silent Contributor 08:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead Be bold =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Help!! All those articles that are not supposed to be under Category:Named passenger trains of India do not have the syntax for the categorisation!! Then how come they are there? The Silent Contributor 09:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

That's because the category is part of a template. The culprit is: Template:Named Passenger trains of India. You should replace the category there. Look at the history of the category to see who has goofed up. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
User:Anil.pedgaonkar included the template [1] and after many edits, User:Swpb thought it was an error and made the change ( see [2]). So now what is it that I am supposed to do? If the template is the problem, then they should have used the template in the source, isn't it? Check Indian Railway Institute of Electrical Engineering - it doesn't have it. The Silent Contributor 10:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
You'll have to undo the changes, so that the category and templates are fixed. =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I understand that I have to make some changes, but for using a template, shouldn't you specify something like {{template name}}? That is not there in the page - that's why. The Silent Contributor 12:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Could this be the problem? Someone (didn't check who) has redirected the Template:India-rail-stub to Category:Named passenger trains of India. Try accessing the India-rail-stub article. My feeling is that this has been violated. The Silent Contributor 12:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I have restored the original template. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 15:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help!!! The Silent Contributor 05:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Problem with Jog Falls page

The highest Indian waterfall is in Karnataka (Kunchikal = 1493 feet) The second highest is in Orissa The next three are in Meghalaya


Langshiang Falls 1,107 feet Meghalaya

Nohkalikai Falls 1,100 feet Meghalaya

Nohsngithiang Falls 1,035 feet Meghalaya

Dudh Sagar = 1017 feet Goa

Kynrem Falls 1,000 feet Meghalaya

All of which are taller than Jog!

Jog - "second tallest falls in Asia" --- WHAT!!!!!!!!!!

I changed it to "one of the highest waterfalls in India" for now till someone can fix it properly. I guess the editor above has used http://www.world-waterfalls.com/database.php?s=T&t=G&category=country&search=India&orderby=height%20DESC as his reference. It seems a bit strange that "Kunchikal" gets so few google hits. http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0001781.html lists Doodhsagar (1969 ft) as the highest in India. Tintin (talk) 02:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I had always learned that Jog was the highest, but then saw claims to the contrary. One conjecture that I have entertained is that Jog is the highest single drop and the others may be multiple cascades. This would explain the discrepancies, but it is only a conjecture. --BostonMA talk 03:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

New portals

Sushant gupta has created Portal:Indian independence movement and Portal:Himachal Pradesh. I request people here to watchlist and contribute to them — Lost(talk) 07:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Asian Americans

if anyone wants to join--D-Boy 19:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone needs to check out this page

Kokkhars was alerted to me by its very suspiscious style of prose and lack of wikification. Some Googling to see if I could find the source of it and determine its copyright status turned up SO LITTLE that I'm seriously wondering if this is a hoax. Since it has an .IN tag on its talk page, I'm requesting someone here take a look at it. 68.39.174.238 19:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Happy New Year to all the great people at the Indian Wikiproject! Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 23:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy new year to everybody...--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Wishing everybody a happy new year!!!! The Silent Contributor 06:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Let many more FAs adorn our Project this year! Happy New Year all! --thunderboltz(Deepu) 06:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I wish everyone a prosperous new year on and outside Wikipedia! GizzaChat © 09:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Some firework to go with it... Happy New Year --hydkat 09:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Some firework to go with it... Happy New Year --hydkat 09:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Happy New Year everyone! deeptrivia (talk) 00:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year to all!! — Lost(talk) 03:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year everyone!! -- Chez (Discuss / Email) 06:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Help Indian medival empires

What is the Indian language script addition policy in wikipedia. I am editing Indian medieval history articles like ( Yadavas of devagiri, chalukyas Rashtrakuta etc) What is the basis of addition of any script in the pages of such empires? Yadavas for instance are Marathi empire but since a historian says they are kannada,its script is added. I have 2-3 sources for rashtrakutas and 2 for Chalukya,so in that way even I can add Marathi script there.Plz elaborate.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishu123 (talk • contribs)

scripts look fine to me.--D-Boy 09:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Be part of local user categories as well

I think we should also become part of our coresponding local categories like [[Category:New Delhi Wikipedians]] to collaborate more effectively and locally. This will facilitate meetups like Bangalore Wikipedians meetup.
I am now seeing the (positive) trend of more and more locally relevant articles are being added to wikipedia and (thankfully) such pages have started surviving 'non notability criteria', thus it becomes more important to be part of such categories which can be used to enhance and maintain local information as well. Global categories/pages like Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics can be fine for discussing topics spanning regions (e.g. 14'th Lok Sabha, Hindi Film Industry, Indian Railways etc) but not for state/city wise information, for such local data its better to use discusssion page of corresponding page (e.g. discussion page of Jhansi) and/or corresponding page(s) category (e.g. [[Category:Jhansi]]) and/or corresponding user category (e.g. [[Category:Jhansi Wikipedians]]). Vjdchauhan 22:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Periyar and Periyar Ramasami naming and content war

Periyar is called Periyar by the Tamil Nadu Government Periyar University is named after him Periyar district is named after him There are now pages 2 for the same person.Please help .Need a neutral person and knowledge person a edit WAR is going on.Harlowraman 07:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Mudaliar

Could an editor with a better understanding of the issues related to this article and recently created articles like Kaikolar & edited articles like Sengunthar, please advise me. There has been some edit warring going on, as well as sockpuppetry, and I am tracking it down and trying to block the offenders, but I would like to understand this conflict better. It seems right now to be a dispute between two editors (one using a number of socks), both accusing the other of slandering a group of people, so some outside voices would be useful. Thanks! Dina 13:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Citations: Mudaliar is originally the surname and title of Tondaimandala Vellalas

Please take time go through the following sources and comment. Anybody from south India ? People are just speaking derogatorily and claiming this is false. Its a well known fact in south India that we are the original Mudaliyars settled in Tondaimandalam. Most people know that Saiva Vellalars are Forward Caste even though we aren't Brahmins and the Tondaimandala Saiva Vellalars were known as Mudaliyars. The following articles clearly prove that:

Here are more valid citations which prove that Mudaliar is the surname of Tondaimandala Vellalas only. Both articles are journal papers with ample references as to the origin of Mudaliars and who the Tondaimandala Vellalars are. To quote a few lines from the second article (which in turn reference's the first one),

In a large report written in late 1798 and early 1799, Place had noted that the Chola Raja collected the “whole of the Mudali tribe called the Vellalars who were sent to settle in Tondaimandalam.”[104] Place also wrote that the country had been divided into territorial domains called kootams, a reference to kurumbar policies. Thus, Place could argue that the spatialization of the vellalas in the villages of the Tondai country had begun long before the British arrived.

The above statement was quoted from Lionel Place's (an English officer in East India Company ) report to East India Company. This literature is from 1799.

The Chola King is Karikala Chola. More quotes regarding how we were persecuted by the British..

“Mudali” is the shortened form of “Mudaliyar,” the surname of all Tondaimandala vellalas. “Mudaliyār”—a term that literally meant a person of first rank. However, in the view of many of the Company officers, the term “Mudali” carried a pejorative meaning. Mudalis were despised by the British because they were considered both essential actors and great threats to individual British and Company operations.

Scroll to the reference section of second article to see a list of some of the Tondaimandala Mudaliyars who were persecuted by the British.


Citations

1. Place, 1799 Report, para. 59. “Mudali” is the shortened form of “Mudaliyar,” the surname of all Tondaimandala vellalas. If you want to read Lionel Place's whole orginal report go to Public library in Madras.

2. Irschick, Eugene F. Dialogue and History: Constructing South India, 1795-1895. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1994.

direct web reference: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:wAFcJ_wAnhAJ:texts.cdlib.org:8088/xtf/view%3FdocId%3Dft038n99hg%26chunk.id%3D0%26doc.view%3Dprint+mudali+tribe+tondaimandala&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

(after opening document search for: mudali tribe)

http://ark.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft038n99hg/


3. Order and Disorder in Colonial South India Eugene F. Irschick Modern Asian Studies, Vol. 23, No. 3 (1989), pp. 459-492

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0026-749X(1989)23%3A3%3C459%3AOADICS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-B

4. http://www.hindu.com/fr/2004/09/03/stories/2004090300780600.htm

5. http://www.saivaneri.org/keralal-pillai-history.html

6. Castes & Tribes of South India - ET.Thurston, VII 361

Thanks.Mudaliar 23:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

East Indians (ethnic group)

This article is a bit confusing to me. My understanding is that this is not a very common usage compared to North American and possibly other usage which define East Indians as people who are from India as opposed to West Indians from the Carribean or Indians, which can mean either the indigenous peoples of central North America (or I suppose anyplace in the Americas except for the Arctic) OR people from India. Plus it does not have much in the way of references. Comments?--Filll 10:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Delhi in FAC

Hey guys! Delhi is in FAC. However it needs good improvement to attain the FA status. So please collaborate in order to make it an FA. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Spelling of Wodeyar/Wodiyar/Odeyar, Reverts Required ?

Wodeyar and several other related articles have been edited/vandalized?, changing the spelling of Wodeyar/Wadiyar/... uniformly to Odeyar. In my opinion which I have posted on the talk page talk:Wodeyar is that the spelling of a name is how the person used it and has been documented in history, regardless of the current transliteration rules. It appears to be the work of linguist rather than a historian. It can make the wiki article have a spelling that is inconsistent with the spelling used elsewhere. Hopeful that someone more definitive can act on this. -- Hgkamath 06:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:PD-India-Gov

Just saw this template. I think that it will be very useful. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 06:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, after actually going through the references provided, I feel that this template should be re-worded to indicate that only those works that are specifically indicated to be in "public domain" should be tagged with this template. According to page 15–16 of the guidelines, the individual websites are issued a guideline to indicate the copyright status of their works, and this doesn't mean that wherever such a disclaimer is not present, the work can be taken as copyright-free. I think the template needs to be updated to remove the confusion. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 07:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Proposal: Use categories than articles for avoiding lot of caste based, region based wars in Indian articles

We should not have articles like "List of Brahmins", "List of Telugu people" etc. The lists are too big, and people are adding all names without any references. We should have simple articles about castes, places etc. and should not have long lists. We will have articles about individual personalities and can tag them to a region, caste etc. Mlpkr 17:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

No we are not categorizing people by caste. Castes are notable for the people that belong to it. PEople are not notable for the caste they belong to.Bakaman 23:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I did not quite understand. Can you clarify that we should have such lists List of Telugu Brahmins and List of people from Andhra Pradesh or not? Mlpkr 07:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
See WP:LIST and WP:CATEGORY and the archive of the discussions here.Bakaman 23:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Meatpuppetry_and_tag-team_edit-warring

Why is everything getting protected?--D-Boy 18:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Because of excessive reverting, about 10 sets of reverts per day. It was unlcoked again after Siddiqui and his socks and Szhaider were all blocked, except on one page Haphar reverted Rumplestiltskin223 again and was locked again. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:INCOTW

Please help revive it. Only one edit in a week! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Old Sanawarians

I've tried to clear up the list of former students of Lawrence School, Sanawar at Lawrence School, Sanawar#Old Sanawarians, but I desperately need some help in that. The list is a mess, many people on it are either barely notable or non-notable, some users may have simply added themselves to the list, etc. etc. etc. I've removed the non-notables and the doubtfuls, but I may have removed proper entries in the process and kept wrong entries on the list. Please review. Thanks, Aecis No running, shouting or piddling in the shallow end 00:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for removing them. We should only have alumni for whom we can find reliable sources per WP:SCH — Lost(talk) 04:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone want to help a new editor?

A brand new editor is interested in writing about Indian geo articles. Would someone like to give him/her a hand? I would, but I'm otherwise engaged. The user is User:Altruism. Thanks all! --Ta bu shi da yu 22:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...pursuing recent contribs, the editor looks quite good. The welcome links should give the editor all that he/she needs to write great articles. Arjun 02:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Delhi FAC comments

Could you please see Blacksun's comments in the FAC? I guess we need some die hard Delhiite to take care of the culture section. Please help. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it just needs some cites. Arjun 04:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Nope, only cites are sought by ExplorerCDT and also by Blacksun. But Blacksun's main concern, I guess, is lack of "soul" :( A Delhiite with knowledge and interest for Delhi can help prepare a draft. Citations are needed, definitely, in a soulful writing.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmm...that is ...odd. I have no clue. Arjun 05:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not know of a wikipedian from Delhi. Arjun 05:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Unless we talk about the historical Delhi culture in detail, I don't think much can be written about Delhi that is unique from other cities. The walled city used to have a culture, but the lack of soul of the present article merely reflects the lack of culture of the city itself. Present Delhi culture will revolve around keywords such as PVR, immigrants, Punjabi culture, Dilli Haat, Trade Fair, Republic Day, Politicians, etc. There isn't much unique to write about. Going into the past, we can write about people like Amir Khusro, Ghalib, poetry in general, courtesans, enunchs, the havelis, partridge fighting, the Sufi mysticism (Nizamuddin, etc), Lutyens, Anglo-Indians, etc. I can write some stuff, but I have no references to back it up at the moment. deeptrivia (talk) 18:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

At least prepare a draft in your sandbox. Lets see if backing ref can be found fast.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Burma/Myanmar

Hi neighbors! I would like to welcome any of your interested editors to join us! Chris 23:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The Bharat Scouts and Guides

Are there any articles on The Bharat Scouts and Guides in the myriad Indian language Wikipedias? Chris 00:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Bodhidharma, the martial arts, and the disputed India connection

This article may have various quality issues. Please review the article and provide your feedback. See also Foreign influence on Chinese martial arts. Freedom skies| talk  13:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Place names

I am in the midst of creating articles on the panchayats in Pathanapuram. My first question is, is it standard even to create articles on panchayats? Second, what is the difference between a panchayat and a hobli, or are they sort of the same? (Both are groups of villages, right?)

My third question is, since one of the panchayats is also called Pathanapuram, should the article on the taluk be moved to something like "Pathanapuram, Kollam District", or should the panchayat article be titled "Pathanapuram, Pathanapuram" or something similar? The naming convention is unclear and does not seem to be well established, so I wanted to get input here instead. Perhaps articles on such small places are not common and I should not make them?

Or maybe there is only one Pathanapuram (the panchayat) and I am mistaken that it contains the other places? Perhaps they are all just neighboring panchayats? If someone could clarify the format (village--> panchayat/hobli--> tehsil--> district--> state) that would be a great help! (Update: according to this, Pathanapuram is indeed the name of both a taluk and a panchayat. The question on naming convention remains.)

Thanks in advance for your help. Kafziel Talk 18:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Nobody has any idea? Should I just make up my own guideline? Kafziel Talk 07:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Answering your questions:

  1. As a geographical entity, a panchayat would be notable.
  2. I've not heard of the word hobli, so personally I can't comment.
  3. Ususally we give the more prominent entity the benefit of the main title. Hence the taluka would get the article on Pathanapuram, if there is no district of the same name. The panchayat would be Pathanapuram panchayat.

Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your help! I will bear that in mind as I continue creating articles. I'm not too familiar with the term "hobli" myself. I would think the article was a hoax or something if I didn't see Stifle and Rama's Arrow in the history. Kafziel Talk 17:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

CSIR

At the AfD discussion for Central Leather Research Institute, I commented: The CSIR is notable, as the National research organization corresponding to the NSF in the US. 17 of the 39 branches have WP articles, and someone knowledgable & who knows WP well enough to write appropriate articles should get to the others. (I did the basic work for this one. They won't be kept without 3rd party sopurces showing notability.)DGG 21:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


Happy King Day

I'm fulfilled in what I do... I never thought that a lot of money or fine clothes — the finer things of life — would make you happy. My concept of happiness is to be filled in a spiritual sense. - Coretta Scott King (attributed)

Struggle is a never ending process. Freedom is never really won; you earn it and win it in every generation. - Coretta Scott King (attributed)

From Commons. NinaOdell | Talk 13:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Calling editors!!

We need someone with editorial skills to roll out the January newsletter. Chez is out of action since the last month. Anyone willing to publish the Jan edition? I am available to distribute it of course — Lost(talk) 13:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I can volunteer. What were the main topics in the past month? The swastika debate, the India bot, and were there any developments on the vernacular scripts and naming convetions at all. I did do a partial turnover. What were the big organistaional stuff apart from the wider debates? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

India-related content on portals

I wanted to share an idea. Portals such as Portal:Architecture, Portal:Dance, Portal:Film, Portal:Literature, Portal:Music, Portal:Poetry, Portal:Television, Portal:Theatre, Portal:Visual arts, Portal:Biography, Portal:Geography, Portal:History, Portal:Food, etc will definitely benefit with more globalized content. There seems to be especially a dearth of India-related showcase articles/pictures on these. Contributing to these portals with Indian content will also give a very good exposure to WP:INDIA. In fact, I think all wikiprojects related to these areas will immensely benefit from some Indian contributors. deeptrivia (talk) 20:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Also pages like January 28 and 1758 (date and year pages) are good places to sneak in an Indian person/event or two.Bakaman 00:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, the basic idea is to better integrate Indian content with the rest of wikipedia, a department which I have found leaves a lot to desire. deeptrivia (talk) 01:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Check Special:Whatlinkshere/Pamheiba&limit=500&from=0 and note that a large number of date and year pages are linked to this. It should be easier for modern Indian content since they have concrete dates and years.Bakaman 00:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, my idea was more about front end articles like Music and Portals, which people are most likely to access directly. deeptrivia (talk) 17:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

See Portal:History/Did you know now.Bakaman 20:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Periyar article needs help

Periyar article needs help .Help is requested from a neutral person .Harlowraman 16:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

K. G. Karthikeyan nominated for deletion

An article that you have been involved in editing, K. G. Karthikeyan, has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K. G. Karthikeyan. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 06:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

New Delhi

While the article on Delhi is in good shape and an FA candidate, the article on New Delhi is in terrible shape and even has a ref tag on it! This is very bad when an article on out capital is so unencyclopedic. Please contribute. Thaa. Rumpelstiltskin223 06:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

We're actually waiting to get Delhi featured. Once that is done, we plan to clone similar content to the New Delhi page and get that featured within a week. All that the New Delhi article really needs is a Delhi native to verify content, and a nice SVG city map. Incidently I will be in Delhi by the end of the month. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Photos

User:Pratheepps has uploaded a large number of excellent photos, but many of them had watermarks on them promoting his website. I spent days fixing all the best and most useful ones to remove the watermarks, and the following list is of images that are either heavily watermarked, not used in articles, of unknown importance, or simply not needed. I don't have the time or resources to fix them. Communication with him doesn't seem to be productive, so I thought I would post the list of remaining photos here.

  • Image:Kailash3.jpg
  • Image:Naga7.jpg
  • Image:Shiva-elephanta.jpg
  • Image:Carving3.jpg
  • Image:Carving4.jpg
  • Image:Kannurfort1.jpg
  • Image:Kannurfort2.jpg
  • Image:Kannurfort3.jpg
  • Image:Kannurfort4.jpg
  • Image:Kannurfort6.jpg
  • Image:Kannurfort7.jpg
  • Image:Kannurfort8.jpg
  • Image:Naga10.jpg
  • Image:Naga11.jpg
  • Image:Naga12.jpg
  • Image:Naga8.jpg
  • Image:Naga9.jpg
  • Image:Palliyodam aranmula.jpg
  • Image:Pillerarchitecture som.JPG
  • Image:Safdarjungtomb.jpg
  • Image:SCTIMST.jpg
  • Image:Temple elephant 4.jpg
  • Image:Temple elephant 3.jpg
  • Image:Temple elephant 1.jpg
  • Image:Temple elephant 5.jpg
  • Image:Boat safari in the wildlife santury.JPG
  • Image:Backwaters sunset.JPG

If anyone has a use for any of these, please edit them and upload new versions without a watermark. Whatever pictures are not fixed will be listed for deletion tomorrow. Kafziel Talk 13:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding nationality of Prominent figures and edit warring between Pakistani/Indian editors

Hi all!

Before I start rambling, I will just introduce myself. I am mostly a dormant creature, and I don't like to fall into lengthy discussions. Also, my Wikipedia access rate is small.

Currently, there has been an edit warring going on between many Pakistani editors and Indian editors over nationality of many prominent figures, such as Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Panini etc. Some say while they are Indian, others say they were Pakistanis (fork here myriad of arguments). I would really like to see us Wikipedians to reach a consensus about these issues. I want to inquire what is the current status for deciding these issues? With more arguments, I wish to reach a least common denominator.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 21:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

British East India Company

An article you created or improved has been selected for Featured Article Review. Please see the talk page and the nomination page for ways you can improve it. Jeffpw 09:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Prithviraj III

Where's his body?--D-Boy 08:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

anybody?--D-Boy 07:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured_topics

The newest type of Featured material. Does anybody think we can nom India or Indian cities? (Please see what is a Feature Topic first) GizzaChat © 06:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

In fact we talked about Indian cities earlier.At least we can go for Indian metropolitan cities. Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkata are featured. Delhi is GA and now in FAC. Hyderabad is in bad condition. So we can definitely go for it. A problem may be which classification system to follow to define a metropolitan city. By Compensatory City Allowance (CCA), the aforesaid cities are A-1. By House Rent Allowance (HRA), only Delhi and Mumbai are A1.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes great idea. In fact I am amazed at how high the quality is of most Indian city articles. Arjun 02:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Hydearabd would need some work. At least it should follow the guidelines of Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities properly. Also needed are more referencing. Lets see if Delhi pasees FAC (that needs work, too). Then have to orient Hyderabad and probably run it through a peer review. Then we can go for a featured topic candidacy for Category:Metropolitan cities in India. What do you people think?--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, I think the next collaborative effort should be on Hyderabad, and I think that Delhi will pass, as all the objections thus far are related to copyediting, and everyone has done a great job. Arjun 17:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Umm... Nope, culture still needs major work. I request any one interested to please have a look at some sources listed here. These can help to improve the culture section in Delhi, as suggested in the FAC. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Oops my mistake :p, didn't see that. Arjun 17:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Arani the same as Arni?

There is an article called Arani, Tamil Nadu and one called Arni, Tamil Nadu. The descriptions make me think they're the same city. Searching online has proven unhelpful in determining whether these are variant names for the same city, or two different cities. Most sites only list one or the other but this site says that Arni is a variant of Arani. I was hoping someone here would know the answer. Tocharianne 16:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I suppose, they are the same articles. So I have tagged them with {{merge}}. You may help to merge both the articles. Shyam (T/C) 16:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I wanted confirmation before doing so. Tocharianne 17:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

New user!!!

The India Star
Hi WikiIndians, I want to be the member of WP:INDIA, can anybody help me? And how can I add comments and texts on my uset page? nirajrm@gmail.com

.

I found this on an offwiki site. I was directed there through an Orkut community where some real fight is going on about certain wiki admins. I wonder why such things happen on/about Wikipedia, the greatest project ever conceived by humanity. I am a novice. Can people please expalain? I think Samir is an excellent editor and socially responsible human being. Why such ad hominems against him? Thanks for any explanation or advice. I also found some foul comments on certain admins on the given off wiki site. We should ensure that they be removed asap. What do you think? Rakendu Ghosh 05:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC) Image:Samir real.JPG

New Indian WikiProject

Two new Wikiprojects Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India and Wikipedia:WikiProject Himachal Pradeshare created. Pls. have a look on those two and pls join them. Amartyabag (Talk) 11:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice work, I'll try to pitch in where possible. Someone more familiar with the template coding would have to incorporate these two projects into the WP India template. Probably Ganesh or Ambuj could help — Lost(talk) 12:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Jaswant Singh Khalra

HI All,

A Request for comment - please see Jaswant Singh Khalra. I added an Unbalanced tag on this months ago, and now the main author wants it removed, even though IMHO it is still unbalanced. Please can a few people pop over and give their opinion, this article needs some outside influence. User:Lethaniol

Looks like a eulogy.Bakaman 00:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I did a complete rewrite. Should be fixed (for now, at least). Kafziel Talk 02:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Breaking News!

I am not sure though I have information which i would like to share by "copy-paste";

I saw your message on my talk page: [3]. I have an important news to break: I have learnt from a reliable source that Jimbo may be in India (on his third visit within a span of few months!) on a day or two during the period (perhaps) 25th February, 2007 - 3rd March, 2007. Nothing is final yet - city, exact date, his schedules and so on. However, we should try to gather information and if his visit happens we should prepare for a meeting of Indian Wikipedians with him like the one we had at Bangalore on 29th September, 2006: An evening with Jimmy Wales. You may pass on the information to other Indian editors. I shall copy and paste this message on India Notice Board. His visit schedule may change too depending on many factors. I still remember few hours spent in your company at Bangalore on 29.09.06. Thanks and regards. --Bhadani 16:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

In case, I learn more or the date/ place/ schedule get crystallized, I will up-date the information. I would request someone to set up a separate page for this visit like this one: An evening with Jimmy Wales. I will try to contact someone to learn more about the visit if it happens at all. BTW, if this is not the suitable place for such information, kindly feel free to move to a better place. Thanks & regards. --Bhadani 16:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

It has to be Ahmedabad, this time. Three admins from Ahmedabad, what more could you want? :D Also, Steward Yann was here a few days ago, and we had dinner together. ^_^ — Nearly Headless Nick 13:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I am new here and want to contribute to this project. Can we have the featured article on Constitution of India?? Regards, Niraj

Hi Nearly Headless Nick. Wherever it will be held, Bhadani shall fly there to attend the meeting. I am trying to gather more information it will depend on Jimmy's schedule though I presume. Regards. --Bhadani 16:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Important news

Kindly see the link. As indicated by me above, World Wikia has given a tentative plan: Jimmy in Delhi. Let us be in touch with him and each other to organize a Meet. Regards. --Bhadani 02:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Images from Press Information Bureau

The PIB website states that "[...]This, along with reasonably high quality photographs are provided on the website for free download by anyone." Does this mean we can use the articles and repository of images from PIB freely on Wikipedia? — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 10:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

With my experience of dealing with various Indian government departments, I can positively say that in spirit thats what the website means. Most govt. deptts. are just not aware of the copyright implications so if you are looking for text such as GPL or GFDL anywhere on the website, I doubt you will find it. However knowing Wikipedia policies, we look for explicit copyright statements so this would probably fall under the grey area. — Lost(talk) 12:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
You need to make clear to them that the images should be free to use commercially, and derivative use be allowed. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
If we are expecting to first educate the government departments so that they can put up appropriate licenses on their website, so that we can use it on wikipedia... all I'd say is that we are expecting a bit too much:). Bureaucracy, thy name is Indian government;) — Lost(talk) 07:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
To make matters worse, the e-mail address provided for contact bounces, and the feedback form doesn't get submitted giving vague reasons. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 11:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I even read the Indian Copyright Act 1957 [4] but could not come to any conclusion. --Bhadani 16:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Are Govt of India images copyrighted or in Public domain? In Bangladesh, according to the copyright act of 2001, all govt generated images are copyrighted. In USA, all Federal govt images are in public domain. So, it may be useful to ask a lawyer about the status in India.

I know for sure that Indian postage stamps are copyrighted by India post, and it doesn't allow ANY kind of reproduction. --Ragib 18:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Ragib is right about copyrighted status of Indian postage stamps and other two points too. A reference to a lawyer shall be fine. --Bhadani 18:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Republic Day

Happy Republic Day! Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 01:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Portal India

Portal India is messed up as it looks like no-one is maintaining it. There are no SAs designated for the last 10 days of January. I've filled it in for the next 3 days but won't be able to continually maintain it. Someone needs to help. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 00:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks NE for the maintenance. The mess-up happened as I had to leave for wikibreak without getting time to handle the featuring. I am back and would be taking care of the featuring again. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 08:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Osmania University

I have been involved in merging AP-related User:Ganeshbot articles with those in the main name space and can say that I am almost complete. I have a doubt with Osmania University. The main name space article talks about the university, while the Ganeshbot article talks about the census town. Note that the latter does not provide Falling Rain links too, which Ganeshbot articles usually have. My question are

  • Do we need info on the census town merged into the one on the university? Or should we have them as separate articles?
  • Do we really need the census town info on Wikipedia? Does the Indian government recognize it as a census town? The Silent Contributor 10:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I have similar doubts over Kharagpur. Ganeshbot has created an article titled Kharagpur Railway Settlement, which I have never heard of, and am not sure refers to the town itself, or something else (on a larger or smaller level). Thus, a merger that may be required is pending. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 05:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Tamil Nadu geography question

Are Sengottai and Shenkottai the same place? Sengottai came up on AfD; we've cleaned it up and are trying to figure out what to do with it. (Also can someone check my spelling at Sengottai?) Thanks, cab 04:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Correctness of name ugranarasimha for the monolithic narsimha statue in hampi??

Recently i have been to hampi. I visited the monolithic narsimha statue, the placard in front of it says the statue was earlier wrongly identified as ugra narasimha and its correct name is laxmi narasimha. I agree to the fact that it is famous by the name of ugra narasimha. Can someone throw more light on the facts in this regard?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.16.143.82 (talk) 13:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_literature

I want add indian tag on it too,beacuse there many indian Sindhi authors love to read,So for them i want to add indian tag on this artilce. Sindhi_literature Khalidkhoso 16:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Taj Mahal RFC

I've filed an RFC relating to the Taj Mahal at Talk:Taj Mahal#Request for Comment: Inclusion of minority points of view. Your comments would be most welcome. --Joopercoopers 11:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

sort keys on India-stub

I notice there's a sort-key argument on {{India-stub}}. I personally don't think this is a good plan, since it deviates from the standard coding model at WP:STUB, particularly as it's a numeric parameter, and hence we could easily start getting different stub templates using {{{1}}} for inconsistent things. Also, using it is beautifying what's intended to be a cleanup resource. There's now a better alternative available: DEFAULTSORT. Doesn't require any changes in template code, and better yet, adding it fixes the key for not just the "temporary" stub category, but any present and future "permanent" categories. Indeed, a further reason to get rid of this is to avoiding inadvertant overriding of said default. Anyone object to getting rid of it? Alai 05:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Picture of the day

Planemad's Image:India roadway map.svg is on the front page today. Well done!! — Lost(talk) 17:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Articles listed at Articles for deletion

Uncle G 20:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Publicity for WikiProject India

In my opinion, one of the larger issues right now concerning WikiProject India is the shortage of members. Examples? Take the Collaboration of the Week. Barely anyone votes. Barely anyone helps (point in case: the Sculpture in India article is the current CotW, but the article is still rudimentary. Not at all what should come out of a CotW). So the problem could lie in a few places: either there is a lack of members, or my example is invalid because no one partakes in the COtW. Either case is equally disappointing. -Vamooom 20:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The COTW problem has come up before and you are right about very few people participating in the COTW. I am guilty of being one of them. However what I feel is we need someone to sustain the initiative. It was previously moved ahead by Ganesh and Aksi but both of them seem to be on wikibreaks. If one or two editors make a sustained effort towards maintaining the initiative, it attracts other users as well. — Lost(talk) 21:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree, I helped out with last weeks COTW though. ~ Arjun 00:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Infantile "Hindi" Wikipedia

Atulsnischal 07:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo in Chennai

Coming out of a wikibreak to post this. Jimbo is visiting Chennai to attend a Wikicamp, an unconference to discuss Wikipedia and Wikis in general. The event is scheduled for the 25th of February, and will take place at the Tidel Park, in Chennai. Kiruba Shankar is behind organizing this one. Here is his blog post about it. I am on a vacation to India around that time and am planning to attend this one. I was thinking it would be a good chance to have a wiki-meetup. Interested? Please do register as a participant. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 19:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

But what happened to the Delhi trip? — Lost(talk) 19:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
He is in India for more than a week (per his userpage). I guess he is visiting both cities. I don't have any details about his Delhi trip though. -- Ganeshk (talk) 19:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Kindly see Breaking News. I think that he will also visit Delhi, though I am not sure of his complete schedules. --Bhadani 18:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment copied from article on the Book: Muslim League Attack on Sikhs and Hindus in the Punjab 1947 discussion page

Dear User Zora

After trying to censor Partition of India page continuelly, and asking to not include this important book there, now you have come directly to the book page and are now trying to censor it. Please do not continually try to censor the truth.

Sincerely

(Refering to discussion on Talk:Partition of India)

Atulsnischal 06:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

What you see as truth, others see as hatred and prejudice. When there's a conflict, WP presents all sides. Zora 08:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Not if you can't prove it. India Rising 09:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Dear User Zora

I have noticed that you are vandalising articles and sytemmatically removing any reference to the historically accurate atrocities committed by Islamic fundamentalists not only on this page but elsewhere too.

No body is against Islam as a religion, but we should all be against the fundamentalist and terrorist attitudes of individuals whoever they might be.

Please refrain from "Vandalizing" articles by "ALTERING THE TRUTH" OR sytemmatically "CENSORING" atrocities commited by Islamic fundamentalists and terrorist.

Sincerely

Atulsnischal 14:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation for Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India & Conservation

If you are interested in Environment, Wildlife, Conservation and Nature etc. please join in to contribute, even starting off with making new stub class articles will be a great contribution.

Sincerely

Atulsnischal 16:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

We need senior administrators or people who are long in Wikipedia to help us with the templates and for other further helps. Details can be seen in its talk page. IT's urgent. We want this wkiproject to be added to the exsisting WP:IND banner. Amartyabag TALK2ME 05:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)