Template talk:Notable Wikipedian

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Wikipedian An individual covered by or significantly related to this article, Notable Wikipedian, has edited Wikipedia as
Jimbo Wales (talk · contribs).
This user's editing has included this article.

Readers are encouraged to review Wikipedia:Autobiography for information concerning autobiographical articles on Wikipedia.

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[edit] Objections

A similar attribution, category:Wikipedians with article, was nominated for deletion May 16, 2005 and deleted a week later. The deleted page says:

This is a category of articles (in the main namespace) that are biographies of wikipedians, both active as well as retired.
Wikipedia:Wikipedians with articles has been created with the intention of replacing this self-referential category.

Isn't this self-referential too? -Willmcw 05:54, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

See the CfD discussion here: [1] -Willmcw 05:58, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TfD debate

This template survived a TfD debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splashtalk 16:26, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Note: reading the TfD debate, it seems agreed that the template should go on talk pages, not article pages. - Andre Engels 08:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

This template survived another tfd debate. The discussion can be found here. —freak(talk) 05:25, Nov. 9, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sortkey

I've added a new parameter. 2 is a sortkey for the category. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 15:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Subst

Should this template be subst'ed? The example code seems to indicate not, but I've seen some other wikipedians explicitly subst'ing it. -- Bovineone 21:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

If a template is anything more than just boilerplate text, it's best to transclude. The developers have said let them worry about performance. Templates were designed to be transcluded, after all. --kingboyk 14:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How do we verify the identity of a Wikipedian who claims to be the subject of an article?

If you can answer this question or if you have related knowledge on the topic, please join the discussion here. (Please do not answer here, let's keep the discussion in one place.) Thank you! Joie de Vivre 16:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keep

I like this template, but it seems like it's been under discussed. Mathiastck 15:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overly negative implications?

Someone notable I know has this template on the page about them because they corrected one fact in the article. They feel that they've now being branded forevermore as the dreaded auto-biographer, and that the presence of the template implies that their motives were bad to anyone who reads the talk page.

As a result they have not only stopped editing the article (which I suspect was an objective for the template's authors), but have no intention of helping to improve it on the talk page either. Indeed, it has soured them on the project. They fear that any edits to any articles they make will now be viewed with a negative light simply because of who they are, regardless of their value. I don't entirely agree with them about all of this, but I can see where people would get that impression. It's like "oooh, they edited their article, they must have been hiding/boasting about something." They also think this system encourages editors to simply hide their identity when editing the article and others related to them, which I agree is quite likely.

Can we try to ameliorate this negative effect of what is otherwise a positive warning to users? Maybe show links to the diffs of edits that they have made to the article? After all, five years later, nobody's likely to know what their edit was - but it's still a black mark on their record. A diff would mean people could see for themselves that the edit was actually a reasonable one . . . if it was. The contribs link is insufficient because they may well have made other edits in that time (plus non-editors - the people who are most likely to misinterpret the template's meaning - won't know what it is or how to use it). GreenReaper 21:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:NFCC and copyrighted Wikipedia content on Wikipedia

The idea behind NFCC is to keep us from violating the copyrights of others, this means work not copyrighted by Wikipedia (Wikimedia) must meet the NFCC standards to be on Wikipedia. This is to prevent lawsuits. Material copyrighted by Wikipedia (Wikimedia) is an exception since we aren't going to sue ourselves. Anynobody 03:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple accounts question

If a notable Wikipedian has used multiple accounts should we expand the template beyond 2 parameters, or use the template repeatedly on a talk page?? Thanks, --Solumeiras talk 12:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Could you give an example of where this is needed? It would also depend on the accounts - if one is linked to from the other, or one is a 'minor' account, I don't think it's necessary. Richard001 (talk) 04:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Talk:DD-WRT with Special:Contributions/84.179.77.53, Special:Contributions/84.179.92.94, Special:Contributions/84.179.91.207. --Voidvector (talk) 13:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] When should this be used?

I don't follow the usage intentions here. Should this be used whenever it appears anyone with an article has edited Wikipedia, even if they have only made a single edit? Example: Carl Zimmer has made a single comment on his talk page, the only edit he has made at all. I doubt this would warrant placing this template there - it's kind of like shining a spotlight on someone who tries to point out a small mistake or omission. So I think we need some clear usage guidelines on the content page. Richard001 (talk) 05:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's a proposal: We only use this when the subject is either a regular contributor to Wikipedia (not just a one-edit wonder) or they have made contributions of a controversial nature (e.g. trying to cover up facts about their organization). Richard001 (talk) 23:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't require it to be used in situations where there isn't anything to warn, such as the Zimmer article you mention. I agree that if the editor were to edit the article himself, or were to start editing other articles, then the template would be clearly warranted. However, it's a bit of instruction creep to state that it has to be used in certain situations and not in others, and I would leave it to a case-by-case basis as it is now. Remember, that any activity where an editor is editing an article about him/herself is a WP:BLP situation, and requires special handling. Often times, the template serves as a declaration of interest . -- RoninBK T C 15:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)