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"At the time of their formation, Notts County, like most important sports teams, were considered to be a male-only organisation. The name Notts County was most likely adopted to recognise this fact"

I'm curious how the name Notts County reflects a male-only outift? Bob Palin 04:26, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Sounds odd to me too. I'd always assumed it was related to the geographic location of the club: the County of Nottinghamshire.
SimonMayer 23:32, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hello Bob.

I read this paticular piece of information in a book about Notts County which I own. It doesn't include the reason why it was choosen. I've tried to delve into this a bit without much success.

My theory is that the Victorians were very elitist, men of course were the most elite. Notts County might have been a very elite sounding name that could be used in Nottingham at the time which lead it to being chosen.

I'm both a Notts County supporter and female so I'm not sure what our founding fathers would think of me.

Regards, Kim

I've stared at the "male-only" line for several minutes, and it's still a non-sequitur. Consider it deleted. sjorford 20:50, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This is a piece on the history of Notts County's grounds which quotes something similar. It however does state that only 'County' was adopted to signify it's male only status while the source I used said it was the full name.

Still it is still rather an interesting question as to why it did signify what it did.


-- Aha, you are mis-understanding the meaning of genteel, it means refined, dignified etc, women can be genteel just as well as men. County implies genteel because a county is a formal division of land related to nobility.

Bob Palin 23:40, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ahh thank you for putting me right there Bob. I'd assumed that as the source had stated that the club were initially gentleman's only that genteel was another term for gender.

Regards, Kim

  • In 1862 a group of Nottingham young men from a professional background (they worked in banks, law offices and the lace trade) began to meet on thursday afternoons to kick a ball around with great satifaction that they decided to form a club like the one formed in Sheffield in 1857. Palmiped 16:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


Notts County aren't the oldest proffesional football team in the world. The Melbourne Football Club, formed in 1858, and the Geelong Football Club, formed 1859 or so, both predate Notts. They may play a different brand of football (Aussie rules), but nonetheless they are older. Trent.

Aussie revisionism at its best. Graham Cornes would be proud. Sheffield FC are older than all of them so it means very little. The Dees and the Cats were not professional in 1858!!

Universally recognised as the Oldest Soccer League Club in the World. Notts County F.C. was formed in 1862 and was a founder member of the English Football (soccer) League in 1888.

Aussie Rules is more like rugby than football and is a totally different sport in its own right!Ofs0176 17:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] A note on British English

British English should be used for articles on Britain related topics. Likewise, American English should be used on articles pertaining to American topics. For a clearer example, please visit this sub-section on the differences between their usage. However, is" works better than "are" with the term club as it is a singular and not a plural noun. (Compare with the word team which is a plural noun) --Siva1979Talk to me 13:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Here in Britain a club is seen as the sum of its parts so is usually considered as plural. I'm not going to change it as I really don't spend more time arguing about it. If you want to change all the clubs to singular, I suspect you'll have a lot of edit wars with the British. Ram4eva 13:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you Ram4eva. Palmiped 17:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Palmiped. Taking an example from the BBC. [1]. This uses the club name as a plural. 'Derby have' and not 'Derby has'. I think the article is about the club rather than the team. Although often the line is blurred. Ram4eva 19:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your valuable feedback. However, I want you guys to read the following comments on this talk page. Moreover, please look into my talkpage as well with regards to this matter. Personally, I too feel that the usage of British grammar here lacks consistency. I feel we need the advise of an expert on the usage of the English language here. --Siva1979Talk to me 20:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The issue is that sometimes plural works and sometimes it doesn't - I put this down to what isn't being said in sentences "Derby have" is short for "Derby County Football Club" but equallly in another sentence could be Derby County Football club team members...." GraemeLeggett 09:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I am not aware of any formal authority on this point, but I believe that written English should, or at any rate can legitimately, be composed to reflect accepted norms of spoken English. In spoken ENglish it is clearly acceptable, and not regarded as ungrammatical, to say either "Notts County is" or "Notts County are". No further investigation is needed in my view; either is acceptable in vernacular spoken English and should be in writing, too. 11:43, 26 December 2006 User: MattW (UTC)

[edit] Relegation/promotion in trivia

It says they've been promoted relegated more time than any other team with 14 and 15. I read somewhere Leicester had 22 of each. 82.163.157.251 13:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Leicester City have had a TOTAL of 22 Leicester City (Leicester Fosse) [22 moves] up: 11: 1908, 1925, 1937, 1954, 1957, 1971, 1980, 1983, 1994, 1996, 2003 down: 11: 1909, 1935, 1939, 1955, 1969, 1978, 1981, 1987, 1995, 2002, 2004 Palmiped 16:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

My mistake just checking. Just read it somewhere must have read it wrong. Jimmmmmmmmm 23:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Notts for Nottinghamshire

While Notts is of course the abbreviation for Nottinghamshire, it strikes me as odd that the club is always Notts County and never Nottingham County or Nottinghamshire. The official site's history page implies it was originally "Nottingham Football Club": when did the abbreviated "Notts" form become official, as opposed to merely a common short form of "Nottingham" akin to "Man." for "Manchester" in "Man. United"? jnestorius(talk) 22:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article self-contradiction

I thought I'd have a go at copyediting the article (consistent verb agreement as discussed above, punctuation/number formats per the Manual of Style, that sort of thing). I noticed that one sentence claims the club to be a founding member of the football league in 1885, but the next sentence claims it in 1888. I added the self-contradiction template, but I'm going to just stick to the copyediting and leave resolution of this to someone more familiar with the subject. Doonhamer (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

  • corrected founding member of the football league date including referance. Palmiped (talk) 13:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Cheers Palmiped. Doonhamer (talk) 15:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Check external links in main article

Check links Palmiped (talk) 23:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)