Talk:Nottingham High School
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This is a very good page that should be B but gets a "start". Its fairly subjective. Lists are over 30% bwhich is not good. Maybe MId importance due to alumni and age (but Ive made it high). Main problem is references. You need to check you have all alumni.... where is Henry Garnet who presumably went here? When you have used the ref and references tags about 20 or 30 times then we'll give you a B..... this should be a featured page! Victuallers 09:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Henry Garnett is a tricky one - his father Brian was certainly headmaster (from 1565 until possibly as late as 1575) but it's not clear whether Henry actually studied at the school. It is known that he started at Winchester College in 1567, and it seems likely that he would have studied at NHS during his father's tenure until he left for Winchester, but there seems to be no documented evidence of this. -- Nicholas Jackson 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC) ... thsats interesting! add it to the article Victuallers 11:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC) Is it possible that NHS removed any evidence? Victuallers 11:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
You need to add some references... this should be a well rated page ... enough about ties! Victuallers 09:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC) Well done Nick ... a B. Some more to add. Suggest also "folding" long lists into 2 or 3 cols to make neater Victuallers 22:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Well, NHS does have quite a complex system of ties, and an article about the school should include that information. Do you have any specific objections?
- As to references, there have as far as I know been two books written about the history of the school. The first was essentially an edited version of the PhD thesis of Dr Adam W Thomas, who taught history at the school during the 1950s - there should be a copy in the school library (there were about a dozen in the archives, together with the original typed manuscript, when I was there in the 1980s). The second, published in 1989, was written by Stuart Brocklehurst, a sixth-form pupil at the school, and gives a summary of the contents of Thomas' book and then an account of the subsequent three decades. This latter book is quite readable, informative and well-written (although it pains me slightly to admit it because the author and I never entirely got along). I guess the other obvious source material would be back issues of the Nottinghamian (the school magazine) and the school class lists, the most complete collection of which will be in the school archives. Unfortunately, there are a number of facts in the article for which formal citations either don't exist or would be difficult to find - for example, everybody called the 'Lovell Order' tie the 'grovel order' (even those of us who got them) but I doubt very much that there's any official written record of this. -- Nicholas Jackson 19:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ties and refs
I have added a ref to the adams book which I founbd via Google. Also try "Google Books" as that may include more substantive evidence. Ties do seem to be an interesting aspect. I was only making the point that without refs then stuff may get deleted. For instance it is likely that every school that has included a slang session will get it deleted .... because as you point out, you cannot find a ref and if you can't prove it then ultimately its out. Hope this helps, if not then come back for more. NHS should be in the top UK articles. Oh I noticed that Mellers started the school and then "starred" in DHL's book. Is that a coincidence? Victuallers 21:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'd assumed that Dr Thomas' book was a private publication and hence effectively impossible to get hold of, but ABEBooks turned up several second-hand copies so I bought one, along with a pamphlet (an offprint of an article in the Transactions of the Thoroton Society) by Cedric Reynolds on the history of the school buildings. I'll read through both of them and add some proper references to the article. Thanks to Victuallers for inspiring me to hunt down a copy (of both). -- Nicholas Jackson 22:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
Has no one got around to making a full page on this? Come on ONs of the world, surely we can do better than this? Does someone have copy of that old history of the school?
--Evil Capitalist 12:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Well, I still go to NHS, so, summing up all my dregs of pride for coopers house, and the school, I might just expand it. --Chachu207 17:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Could whoever removed the Mock Elections section please provide justification for simply deleting it rather than improving the entry in line with Wikipedia guidelines. It's incontrovertible fact, too small to justify its own page, and a valid improvement to this one. Official guidelines follow:
Please do not remove content from Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Lafarge 14:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Just added in a paragraph about the Music School as this seems to have been overlooked.
Officers of the School, in addition to the Prefects' tie, are presented with a separate tie which is black with red stripes bordered by white stripes and has the School Crest on it. This is to distinguish their seniority within the School.
Thanks to John Smith for that. Interesting - I think this a relatively recent change (ie, less than fifteen years' old). Does it have the school crest or the coat of arms, though? They're different things - the crest is a red squirrel holding a duke's coronet (a squirrel sejant gules holding a ducal coronet or) while the coat of arms is the full thing (there used to be a big wooden carving of it hanging above the stage in the assembly (John Player) hall - Nicholas Jackson 13:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- The carving is still in the Player Hall and is the full coat of arms however recently (2007), the school has come to using just the shield with the motto at the bottom. This is mostly the case on all the letterheads.Bthebest
I'm a little distressed that the name 'Djanogly' does not appear a single time on the page, it really should be remedied - Chewwy 14:31, 01 June 2006 (UTC)
Nicholas Jackson: The new tie was introduced this year as a result of a new system for the selection of Prefects being introduced.--JohnSmith123456 09:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Interesting - thanks for that. I'm fairly sure the Third XV, Officers and Junior School Centenary ties weren't around when I was there, either (1981-1991). Do we know why the rugby third XV get a special tie all of their own? Re prefects: It used to be the case that sometime during the first year sixth form, about half to two-thirds of the year were appointed house (junior) prefects. At the time, it seemed like an honour, but in retrospect it was primarily a mechanism for getting the older pupils to do various boring tasks (stopping first-fifth formers from loitering indoors during break and lunchtime, showing visitors round, etc) so that the teachers didn't have to. Then sometime during the second year sixth form, about fifteen or twenty of the house prefects were promoted to school (senior) prefects. I gather from the article that now most of the junior prefects are promoted in due course - is this correct? Nicholas Jackson 12:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
The Junior School's centenary tie was introduced last year (because of the centenary). Well its all changed recently Prefects wise. In the past just a small number of Assistant Prefects have been appointed in the Autumn term (about 20) and would then be appointed, normally without exception, full Prefects in the Summer term of that same academic year. They would be joined also by 20 other boys who had shown merit since the original appointments and be made Prefects as well leaving a total of 40 Prefects for the following academic year. Now, boys nominate themselves to be Prefects on the agreement that they will participate on duties and indicate a time when they will be available to assist staff. This year about 80 boys nominated themselves (meaning a lot of Prefects!) This occurs in the Autumn term and they begin their duties in the Spring. In the Summer term they are appointed full Prefects to take over the outgoing year. The third XV tie was introduced by Jim Cook and Ken Clayton and funded from the Biology Department, so that boy's at lower levels could receive recognition for their contributions to sport, where other boys receive full colour's. Hope that helps. Any more questions and I would be happy to help! --20:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)JohnSmith123456
Does anyone happen to know which Professor Freeman FRS is an ON? The Royal Society's directory lists two Professors Freeman, Kenneth and Raymond (and also a Dr Matthew Freeman) and it's not clear which of them is the right one. -- Nicholas Jackson 15:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- Never mind - the December 1987 Nottinghamian indicates it's Raymond. -- Nicholas Jackson 09:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I notice that Dr Witcombe is now listed as 'Sir Dennis Trevor Witcombe' in the list of headmasters. Is this true? I can't find any reference to him being knighted (there's no mention of it on the school's website, for example) so unless anyone can provide some sort of citation, I'll remove it. -- Nicholas Jackson 22:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed some changes have been made to the senior staff list. In particular I don't think the Head of Sixth Form should be mentioned because then you can justify adding heads of other years, so i'll remove it unless anyone strongly disagrees. The list of housemasters is probably all right but if anyone objects to it i will support it. -- Bthebest 17:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- When I added the Head of Sixth Form, the list was of the "Senior Management Team", of which he is a member. And, arguably, he is as or more important than other members of staff mentioned on the list (university admissions and so on). But I'll leave it up to you to decide... Dafyd 22:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
