Talk:Nottingham Forest F.C.
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Hello 217.81.147.194, nice start to the article! Please note that you don't need to use underscores inside links, and it's considered bad to link back to the article itself within the article. --rbrwr
[edit] Cleanup
This article is a mess - there are many sections on the club's history that overlap, the squad needs converting to use the standard {{Football squad player}} template, and the long table of stats at the end is not necessary (IMHO) and needs to be formatted correctly. Qwghlm 13:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
- After Oldelpaso (talk · contribs) did some work on cleaning up the article, I finished off the job and have removed the notice. Qwghlm 00:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I thought it was Arsenal that Forest donated kit to rather than Liverpool? (Early History) See
http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=The+Club&article=344300&Title=Kit+Design
Liverpool FC not formed until 1892. Need confirmation that Forest provided kit to Liverpool also Aorangi 23:29, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Steve McDonald
I'm confused - is Steve McDonald (the character) a Forest fan in the show or is Simon Gregson (the actor) the (un)fortunate one?
[edit] Notts Forest
why don't forrest fans like it being called notts forest? Is it because of Notts County?
Forest fans don't like being called Notts Forest because it is incorrect, Notts is an abreviation for Nottinghamshire, not Nottingham. Why Notts County are so called is something I've never found a proper answer for. It's not like Derby County get call Derbs County or Leceicster City, Leics City. Bevo74 06:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- If you call Forest 'Notts Forest', you should also call teams 'South Yorkshire Wednesday', 'Suffolk Town', 'Lancashire Wanderers' and so on. Ericatom 11:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Calderwood Appointment
I am not comfortable with the "some" and "many" comments on the recent appointment of Calderwood as manager. There seems to be a lot of personal opinion in that statement and perhaps the author is that "some" and "many"? I believe the appointment piece should be based on fact right at the moment.
- I don't really understand what does mean that Calderwood is the 182th manager in 1 yearS... aren't there a bit of years left?
[edit] Trivia
Nottingham Forest have broken more records than any other club in England
Is there evidence for this?
SteveO 11:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
To me it seems a meaningless statement, I'm sure most clubs can point to obscure 'records' that they hold, like most 3-3 draws in a season, not that the Forest stuff is, but most records seems rather strange. Bevo74 07:30, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Breaking more records than any other team is probably unprovable. I've re-worded the piece. SteveO 17:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
How did Forest win the Conference play-offs in 2018?
[edit] Fixtures
Greetings Forest Fans and Wikipedians! I put together a fixture list for the new season that I thought might be useful to have. If it's too large or misplaced in the article, please move it or resize it at will. However, I did put a little work into it, so I'd appreciate it if it stayed unless it's very necessary to remove it. --Bveale 02:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have removed the fixture list due to copyright concerns. The Football League hold the copyright to fixture lists, and charge a fee for the right to publish them. As webmasters of many fansites can testify, the Football League enforce this with vigour. In any case, it is incompatible with the GFDL. However, IIRC fixtures from past seasons are not subject to copyright as they are historical facts. It can be confusing, and copyright law can be an ass, but unfortunately there's little we can do about it. Oldelpaso 17:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, if those are the rules, so be it. It did turn out a little monstrous anyway. No offense taken, as its much more important to be within the law (though I'm actually an American, not that it would matter here). I'll try and figure out other ways to contribute, and besides, I got a great tutorial on making tables!--Bveale 22:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Capacities
The article says the Main Stand seats more than 50,000 - I'll assume this is a typo and remove the first zero. Ericatom 11:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] May 2005 relegation
The article says: "Their relegation to this league in May 2005 made them the first European Cup winners ever to later play outside their country's top two divisions." But the italian team S.S.C. Napoli, winner of the UEFA Cup 1988/89, was relegated in Serie C1 (Italian third division) in season 2004/2005. Icarus83 22:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- They didn't win the European Cup, though..... ChrisTheDude 14:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Sorry, I didn't notice that we were talking about UEFA Champions League Cup (I didn't click over the link...), I intended a generic international Cup organized by UEFA, and I was wrong. It's ok then. Greetings. Icarus83 15:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stadium capacity
The City Ground is the 6th largest football stadium outside the Premiership, behind East Midland rivals Derby County and Leicester City, Leeds United, Southampton and Sheffield Wednesday.
Coventry's Ricoh arena is 32,500 i believe so this would make the city ground the 7th largest? I know it's picky but i thought I'd point it out however i haven't changed it as I'm not 100% sure of the size of Coventry's new ground.
Sunderland?? It holds 48,000. The City Ground is clearly not the 6th largest. Delete?
[edit] Celebrity supporters
David Frost is a Forest supporter is he not? Raymond Palmer 11:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- I know he had trials at Forest but I don't know if he's a fan. Ericatom 18:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Some of the fans on that list seem very dubious. A person who doesn't actually exist, a Prince William lookalike and Phil Scolari... SteveO 21:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Phil Scolari has actually said himself he is a fan of Nottingham Forest, and that Brian Clough is one of his greatest inspirations to be a manager. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.40 (talk)
- I've heard Scolari say he was an admirer of Clough's team. It doesn't make him a genuine fan, though. Do you have a source? SteveO 17:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Here is a link from THE GUARDIAN confirming his support : [1]
- Isn't Nottingham Ebby from Germany who attends every match worth a few lines?-Lemmy- 21:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't Ebby live in Nottingham now ? Simon Q 13:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Ebby has been living in nottinghamshire with his wife for several years now, it is a common misconception(from those that know of him vaguely rather than those who have met him) that he still travels from germany every week.82.9.225.92 15:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- In a German documentation (4-5 years old) he was shown living in Duisburg, Germany, and said he lives in England about 100 days a year. As far I can recall...-Lemmy- (talk) 09:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
I've just spent quite a bit of time cleaning this article up, but there is still quite a bit to do. Specifically the History section is maybe still too long and should be cut by about a 1,000 words perhaps. There is now a separate article on the club's history which currently contains the history section as it was before I started cleaning up the article. Bigmike 01:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- What the history article needs is a near total re-write, without the fan punditry and even an attempt at citing some of its content. It needs to be more neutral and verify its facts. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 15:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Rewrite
This seems more like a fans' eye view of Forest rather than a factual description of the club and its history. The club's official website has its own history section, and is much better (tidier and more informative) than this Wikipedia entry. I agree. There is too much opinion, and too little fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.66.226.45 (talk) 20:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] History section
The history section of this article is atrocious. Right now it appears to just be a fan's-eye-view of their history arbitrarily using coaching eras as team eras. This needs to be cleaned up pretty heavily. JHMM13(Disc) 14:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well volunteered. - Dudesleeper · Talk 14:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I did actually clean it up quite substantially earlier this year (see the version as I left it), and moved the original history section into a separate History of Nottingham Forest F.C. However User:Martinwas inexplicably reverted the article a month or so later to the original (current) format.....the last edit prior to that being this one. There's no way I'm gonna bother doing it again, but I would suggest a gradual cleanup rather than all in one go like I did. Bigmike 00:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Matthew Hartmann
He was listed as 12 in the squad list. He is not listed on the club website as having a squad number, but he in the youth side. Does anybody have any source for him having a squad number? Bevo74 19:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Notable Players
What makes a player notable, to me a player who is did not play many games/achieve success with Forest is not notable, even if they won caps and trophies elsewhere.eg Ben Olsen and Ian Wright. Although to be honest is not this whole section rather POV? Bevo74 (talk) 12:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems Dudesleeper answered this. Bevo74 (talk) 16:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'm all for a List of Nottingham Forest F.C. players article, with criterion-controlled entry, but this one resembled a fans' favourites list. - Dudesleeper Talk 18:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Jonny Heald? Hoar Cross F.C.?
Who are these things? Malpass93 (talk) 15:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Vandalism Bevo74 (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Forest's firsts
The article states that "Frank and Fred Forman were the first brothers to play for the same club, and indeed, became the first brothers to represent England in 1899. They also became the first brothers to both score in an International game - scoring in a game against Ireland."
Most of this statement is incorrect -
(a) Several players had appeared for the same club before the Formans, e.g. Charles Bambridge and his two brothers all played for Swifts F.C. in the late 1870s.
(b) The first brothers to play for England were Charles and William Clegg in 1872 & 1873 respectively; the first brothers to play for England in the same match were William and Herbert Rawson (March 6, 1875).
(c) The first brothers to score for England in the same match were Charles and Arthur Bambridge (23 February 1884). - Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 13:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
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