Talk:Notting Hill Carnival
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[edit] Attendance Figures
If the numbers given are correct and there were always less than 1 million people at the Notting Hill carnival over the last years it is not the biggest street festival in Europe. (For example carnival in Cologne attracted more than one million people every year, see e.g. http://www.german-embassy.org.uk/Carnival_cologne.html) The sentence "The carnival attracts up to 1.5 million people, making it the largest street festival in Europe." should go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jknabe (talk • contribs) 00:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Virtual Interactive Streetscapes not useful?
Virtual Interactive Streetscapes not useful?
I would like to appeal yesterday's removal of the link Virtual Notting Hill Carnival from this page. Up until yesterday the link had proved exceptionally useful to Wikipedia visitors for months and had taken them onto the world's only hi-res Virtual Interactive Streetscape complete with carnival sounds, to discover more about this road. What better way to research a street than to walk along it thanks to Wikipedia from anywhere in the world! (Boy I wish my Children's Britannica Encyclopedias had miles of virtual streetscapes when I was a kid!)
Would you be able to agree that Wikipedia users researching a city or street would find a virtual streetscape effictively allowing them to walk down that city's street useful? Is that not within the spirit of Wikipedia? This site is also recommended by the local Council's own short and carefully picked list of links.
If this is not agreed, then it raises the issue of contradicting the previous editors who felt this was within the spirit of the site, and which led to the link being in place for months. We then have a question of inconsistency and removing useful content from users.
Assuring you of my best intentions for my fellow users. --Ewik 11:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- It seems like the two main reasons the link was removed were that the site seems overly commercial and it has very little relevence to the Notting Hill Carnival itself, merely a street that it passes through. As for consistency, we have never been consistent in keeping content deemed to be not relevent to an aricle. What wikipedia IS consistent on is removing spam from its article. See this article, particularly #5. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I have to agree with the removal of this link. I think that it would be justified if the link was placed in an article about Portobello Road or Notting Hill Gate, but it doesn't have anything to do with the carnival itself. Best, Madder 21:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Carnival or The Carnival
I've just removed "the" from mentions of "the Carnival" as I have mainly seen it written as Carnival. However, looking through some of the links on the article page I notice a creeping tendency for "the Carnival" to be used and accepted. My understanding is that "Carnival" is correct, while "the Carnival" is not ("the carnival" is OK). Does anyone have any views on this? SilkTork 11:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] shootings
is it true that in 2007 a person fired a revolver into the crowd, wounding at least two people?
it was meant to be a reference to the second manifesto of surrealism.
or so it appears on wikipedias page... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.239.186 (talk) 13:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
A 14 year old and a 17 year old were shot in Harrow Road. Streona (talk) 10:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Murders
A number of people have been murdered at the Carnival - one of whom in 2000 was a Pakistani (Abdul Bhatti, who was attacked by 40-50 youths after defending a friend who was being robbed) which was treated as racially motivated- although many appear to have been motiveless and no convictions have been made. Another man was stabbed to death on the same day called Greg Watson The article says that the Carnival is now "seen as peaceful"- perhaps because of the massive level of policing, but this is largely because it suits politicians to present it as such. Streona (talk) 09:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC
In 2004 Lee Surbaran was shot dead at point blank range for showing "disrespect". Three youths were convicted Deputy Police Commissioner Steve House said " It is inevitable that this tragic event will cast a shadow over the Carnival. However, thousands of people attended what was otherwise a highly enjoyable celebration of vibrant costumes music and dancing and all parties agreed that this was an extremely good natured event". Streona (talk) 22:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
In 1991 Dr. Nicholas Hanscomb died of blood loss having been stabbed in the thigh at the Carnival. Streona (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
In 1987 Michael Galvin - a stallholder, was knifed to death. I could only source this from some disgusting Fascist websites and an anarchist one (which seemed to almost in favour) as Galvin in particular appears to have been erased from mention -having nobody especially to speak up for him. It is hypocrisy and POV to applaud the Carnival for promoting peace and harmony and yet to ignore five murders as though they never happened. At least their victims (2 black, 2 white and one Asian) are racially diverse. If you cram a million people into a restricted place (which happens to be where I live) and encourage them to drink as much alcohol as possible then this is what happens. Streona (talk) 00:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
